Hawpe is no worse defensively then the lot the Cubs have trotted out there recently. Sosa (the latter years), Hollandsworth, Grieve, Burnitz, Bradley, etc, etc, etc. The only remotely close to good defensively RF the Cubs have had is now playing CF. Hawpe is pretty clearly worse than all of those guys except maybe Grieve who played roughly 4 innings in RF for us. Perhaps, but consider where he has had to play defensively? In his career he has had to play in some of the games biggest OFers. Not saying it's an excuse, but perhaps playing at a smaller OF can help hide his defensive inability. It's possible it could do him some good. But UZR is already park adjusted. Hawpe is simply far too terrible a defender to justify looking at. In all likelihood, we would be considerably better off having Fuld play every day... if Hawpe isn't a viable alternative to Fuld, I'd have a hard time believing we should move Bradley to make room for him. Let's move on, shall we? I actually spent quite a while trying to come up with stats to justify trading for Hawpe after you told me how bad he was defensively, and even formulated a big response to play Devil's Advocate... but I couldn't do it. His defensive numbers are that bad. I thought "Oh, let's see how they compare to THIS guy!" and Hawpe was way worse. Then I thought "Let's check out VORP!", but VORP doesn't take defense into account. FWIW though, Hawpe would have the 2nd highest position player VORP on the team this year if he were a Cub. He's also be in the Top 3 of 19 other teams in the majors, and ranks 7th in the majors for right fielders in VORP (4th in the NL)... but that doesn't matter because his defense really, and truly is, terrible. I had no idea, but it's bad on a biblical level. I'm ashamed for advocating a trade for Hawpe in the past it's so bad. He belongs in the AL