Yea, they have 11 fights all year. when are you going to learn that fighting is not toughness? I would suggest that fighting is lack of toughness. I guess you will in the playoffs Where did I ever say that? But if you want to count Chelios getting away with countless slashes/crosschecks toughness it's all good. They aren't very physical overall... when you play more physical you get into more fights. I know how the playoffs work, there's barely ever any fights. No I dont want to count Chelios at all, my guess is you will not see him very much in the playoffs. Also, Cyno you do have homer glasses on when it comes to officiating. I think the Wings play plenty physical(at least enough to be stanley cup champions.) They just rarely fight. Today they obviously were coasting. I actually dont think the Hawks were exactly playing hard today either. Just their goaltender was great, ours was ok. Oh for sure... game was meaningless for both teams and I think the Hawks just wanted it a bit more since it was the home (season) finale. Not to mention Khabi played the game of the season today, Wings had enough chances to score 4-5 goals... just bad bounces that happen to every team. The reason I get pissed about the refs is not really because of the penalties the Hawks commit (majority of the time they are real penalties). I get pissed when big name players (Chelios/Datsyuk for example... yea I know Chelios is not really a "big name player" anymore) can get away with a bunch of crap on the young Hawks players without getting called. Inconsistency is what gets me, not the penalties themselves. Oh well, ONTO THE PLAYOFFS!