you're kidding yourself. Pitchers make the ultimate call on the pitches they throw. As such, they are responsible! I never said that the pitcher wasn't ultimately responsible. Why do you think guys like Greg Maddux always liked to have a personal catcher? None of Maddux's personal catchers are headed to the HoF Who said they were? That's my point! You mentioned Maddux to give your point credence however, the catchers have had little to nothing to do with his success. Pitchers shake off catchers all the time. If you want to continue to believe that the catcher's ERA is meaningful, you're welcome to it. I only responded because you called out the people who thought otherwise!