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how stupid is dustbag...get weurtz out of there..he doesn't have it tonight.

on a side note..if we don't re-sign Pierre..is there anyway we can snag David DeJesus away from KC...they like to give away talent.

how old is he? 20, his birthday is New Year's Eve, I think wow..he is just a kid....I hope they keep him down there for a while.

how old is he?

Gallagher is throwing a GEM! :D

I don't like the job Hendry's doing either. But can we criticize without resorting to personal attacks please? I'm not attacking anyone on this board...I'm attacking the moron that has torn apart our beloved Cubs. I have no respect for the man. 1. What was there to tear apart? Its not like the guy inheirited the 27 Yankees. 2. Regardless of what you think about the job he's done, there's absolutely no reason to go after him personally. He believes he's doing what's best for the team-however misguided that might be. There's no reason to insult him-that's a White Sox fan way of doing things. I guess your right. Its not Jim's fault he has 4 stomach's and 6 chins. The guy is probably misaerable. How does one go home..look in the mirror and say to themselves that they have turned a 94 million dollar payroll into a bottom 5 team in baseball..thats gotta be tough to take. The only outlet is to sit in front of the tube..watch Friends re-runs and stuff your fance with Hagen Daez.

maybe he was ordering take-out? Jimmy likes to eat.

Juan Mateo is good. I can't explain it...his stuff isn't overwhelming.but it seems like he just knows how to get guys out.

I don't like the job Hendry's doing either. But can we criticize without resorting to personal attacks please? I'm not attacking anyone on this board...I'm attacking the moron that has torn apart our beloved Cubs. I have no respect for the man.

Hendry has said repeatedly that he wanted Furcal AND Pierre. I heard that..and I don't buy it. With Furcal in place there would have been no reason to dump 2 very good pitcihng prospects for Pierre...he did because he blew the Furcal deal.

Exactly. Pierre v. Furcal isn't a choice between right and wrong, it's a choice between bad and worse. Since the all star break Furcal has been one of the hottest hitters in the National League. His OBP has always been solid even when his average was down to start the year IMO that is so important...a guy who's OBP isn't tied to avg. That means they are doing other things even when they are not hitting.

Add that to the pile. Of course, there's no way a GM can know something like that. But it's [expletive] to go after a FA full-bore and then just give up inches before the finish line-------which is how I interpret what happened. Hendry gave up inches before the finish line? No, he decided not to try to top Ned's insane offer. We already offered him more than he was worth. You can't just say that if you really go after a free agent, you have to top the best offer no matter what. Poor argument...so we couldn't offer 3 more million for Furcal? WHy not? I didn't realize there is a salary cap in baseball? Why not just give the 3+ milion to Furcal keep Nolasco and not give 6 million to Perez Rusch No-Arm Wade how are the dodgers looking in the standings btw? Looks like Ned did a good job. So you're arguing that we should have overpaid even more for Furcal, because if we would have gotten him we would still have Nolasco and wouldn't have paid so much to Perez, Rusch, and Miller. None of those are directly related to not signing Furcal. As goony has argued very well...not signing Furcal did not force Hendry to trade for Pierre(maybe in his eyes it did), and it didn't force him to re-sign those guys way above what they're worth. . The Furcal siging was related to the Pierre trade. Had Furcal been in place I don't think Hendry would have given up Nolasco and Pinto for Pierre. The Rusch, Perez, Miller signings are not related to Furcal directly...I was just mearly using them as an example of how Hendry couldn't pay extra 3 mil for a player that could help us..yet flush 6 million down the toilet on three worthless players.

Add that to the pile. Of course, there's no way a GM can know something like that. But it's [expletive] to go after a FA full-bore and then just give up inches before the finish line-------which is how I interpret what happened. Hendry gave up inches before the finish line? No, he decided not to try to top Ned's insane offer. We already offered him more than he was worth. You can't just say that if you really go after a free agent, you have to top the best offer no matter what. Poor argument...so we couldn't offer 3 more million for Furcal? WHy not? I didn't realize there is a salary cap in baseball? Why not just give the 3+ milion to Furcal keep Nolasco and not give 6 million to Perez Rusch No-Arm Wade how are the dodgers looking in the standings btw? Looks like Ned did a good job.

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Hendry has a better track record in making trades as opposed to signing free agents. Overpaying for Schmidt shouldn't be a problem with Maddux and Wood off the books. I'm disappointed in some moves Hendry has made, but I refuse to throw in the towel for the next 2 years because Hendry is the GM. Look at the Sox, Williams was considered to be a joke as a GM and now he's a genius. A little bit of luck (the Cubs are due), some health (again they're due), one big FA signing (money is available), and one impact trade (lots of young players as trade bait) and the Cubs are contenders. Don't forget that they will be in a very weak NL Central. I like the odds of Hendry passing on a meal better than the odds that he will make the necessary trades to make this team respectable again.

You attempted to back it up, but it's still wrong. The Cubs didn't need a stereotypical leadoff hitter. They didn't need to get into a bidding war for marginally productive hitters. They weren't forced to give up big time talent for Pierre when they lost out on Furcal. It was Jim Hendry's incompetent management decisions that put this team into the position it was, and currently is, in. It was not some imagined need to sign Furcal. They could have and should have completely ignored the stereotypical leadoff hitter "position" and just gone out and found the best 8 hitters they could at each actual position. I will agree that the Cubs should move from the traditional sterotypical leadoff hitter. Mainly..because those guys(ie Pierre..rely on the ground ball for a high % of their base hits) In comes Pierre to Wrigley and his grounders are getting ate up on that grass. IMO...the perfect leadoff guy for the Cubs would be a doubles type hitter(think a Michael Barrett with some faster wheels) As for Furcal...I would argue that he isn't your traditional leadoff guy. He's got some pop in the bat and would probably be a better hitter at Wrigley over the course of time.

I see no hope for this team with Fat Jim making the moves.

hopefully the patterson fiasco will serv as a reminder of what not to due when Pie is here. When Pie arrives he should start out batting in the 7 hole unless he is simply lights out.

He could have had a leadoff guy(Furcal) w/o giving up Nolasco and Pinto if he would have ponied up 3 mil more per season... yet he gives 6 mil/year in contracts to Rusch Perez Wade no arm Miller. It just doesn't make sense.

baker is too much of a coward to call a squeeze.

I think 'The Mediocre M's' works better. exactly

hehe..sorry..I'm a little new around to these boards...lifelong cub fan though. Still..these issues with Hendry need to remain fresh. I plan on confronting Hendry about this at the next cubs convention. He demands all Cub fans an apology for his incompetence.

also..please no one throw in the arugment..well he got D. Lee for Hee Sucks Choi. Yes it was an amazing deal, along with Aram, and the Barrett signing. But being a good GM means building a solid group of 9 position players, 5 starters, and guys in the bullpen that can get it done. In that aspect Hendry has had 95 Mil to work with and has built a bottom 5 team in baseball. No excuses.

want to revisit the missed signing of Rafeal Furcal and calculate how much this REALLY cost the Cubs as an organization....To start..I am gonna break down the likely scenarios this offseason: 2007 Scenario 1: (We have a signed Furcal and kept CPat and Nolasco) CF Patterson 2.8 Million SS Furcal 13 Million 3rd Starter 327,000 Cost of our CF, SS, and #3 starter - 16.1 Million 2007 Scenario 2: (Hendry's screws the pooch, we overpaid for a leadoff hiiter, misout on locking up Furcal who would have cost us NO prospects, and we still have to overpay for a SS(Iszturis). Resigning Pierre will cost us 8 mil/season(very generous estimate), We will need to sign a #3 Starter(a spot that could have been filled by Nolasco) CF Pierre 8 Milion SS Iszturis 4 Million # 3 Starter 7 million Cost of our CF, SS, and #3 starter - 19 Million Am I assuming alot..of course. CPat - yes..this topic has been beat to death..but to deal a guy with this potential was [expletive]..especially for the crap prospects we got. Gene Clines should have been fired, and a new hiiting instructor brought in. Even if Corey Patterson was batting around .250.-.260 with 8-10 HRS 30-35 RBI's and 15-20 SB's out of the 7th 8th hole this season, I would take those numbers under scenario 1.(keeping Nolasco) Nolasco. Yes...its always hindsight with prospects..but I hold managment to a higher standard...they know more about these guys then me..John Q Fan. The fact of the matter is they don't know when to hold them...and when to fold them. They hype up the Rich Hills, Angel Guzmans, yet they peddle off future stars like Willis, Nolasco. Sorry for the rant, and yes I know hindsight 20/20...but the fact is we as fans have the right to judge historys mistakes. And the honeymoon of Ramirez, Lee, and Barrett is over for Hendry. He is slowly tearing this team apart. Someone in the Tribune must wake up and give this guy an ulimatatum to get his act togheter or get out of Chicago