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Not today. He's got his screw ups out of his system Yup-2 miscommunications and 1 absolutely horrible decision. I don't think Manning will throw any more-if Harrison runs the routes that Manning thought he would run, he would have only 1 INT. At 16-8, the game had the potential of a very negative media week even with a win. The Colts have finished in such a way that Manning can have some confidence and the defense has a great game to show for itself. I think the media will have a field day as well-but I think Manning knows that it was a much better day than the 3 INT's would indicate-all they have to do is fix the communication between Manning and Harrison, and things change completely.

Indy plays Baltimore no matter if NE or the Jets win.

Not today. He's got his screw ups out of his system Yup-2 miscommunications and 1 absolutely horrible decision. I don't think Manning will throw any more-if Harrison runs the routes that Manning thought he would run, he would have only 1 INT.

That's really not how the Colts fans are-but there have been so, so many fake injuries by opposing teams in the past 3 years to try to slow the Colts down that the Colts fans have simply gotten sick of it.

I guess Peyton and Marvin just stop speaking the same language in the playoffs-that's 2 INT's possibly that are simply miscommunications between QB and receiver.

I'm happy with the first half. Manning threw two terrible passes (one of those was a miscommunication) but otherwise the offense was ok, and I'm not worried about them longterm. The defense was amazing-if they can play anything like that in the second half and possibly beyond, the offense will come at least somewhat back to normal. Again-I'm very happy. The team made plenty of mistakes in the 1st half, but there are some very encouraging signs in there.

I wouldn't be so sure-the Denver game for example was Denver 14, Colts 6 at halftime-at the end, it was Colts 34, Denver 31. The Colts have been a 2nd half team all year long.

This is the bizarro Colts here-offense struggling, defense dominating so far.

Apparently not if you are at Ohio State, you can't :D. I actually didn't get to see the IU-OSU game the other night, I just heard a great deal of complaining about the foul disparity (OSU shot 35 FT's, IU shot 11). While Oden did get into foul trouble in the second half, apparently there were 2 or 3 obvious fouls in the first half he got away with (not post battles either where they could call it anytime, but hitting a guy's arm while taking a shot for example). Again though, I'm not complaining about it, and am not even sure it's true because I didn't see it. Anyway, I see now the game is at Illinois. Good luck.

Exactly what job was this? Please don't tell me he was going to start... http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/cs-070105rogers,1,1154597.column?page=2&coll=cs-home-utility I don't think it was a starting job. I think Newhan might have thought this: here would be the opening day outfielders with Newhan on the team: Starters: Murton, Jones, Soriano-Bench: Pagan, Newhan When Pie comes up, one of those outfielders would have to be cut-and Newhan was worried it would be him, so he went to the more guaranteed job.

And Steve Finley put up a .900 OPS in 2000. Doesn't much change the fact that he's washed up now, though. http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/oracle/discussion/cubs_signed_derosa/ http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/oracle/discussion/2007_zips_projections_boston_red_sox/ Again, we're paying Derosa more per year for three years when it's likely that Loretta will provide as much, if not more, value next year. That would be a significant improvement on Loretta's numbers from the past two years-the projections have him bouncing back with 64 points better than his better year of the last 2 years (of course, his 2 years were only 1 point apart). While that's certainly possible when looking over his career numbers, having two straight years of the same numbers coupled with being 35 does not give all that much optimism for that high of a jump. He has the potential to get back to those numbers, but he has just as high of a potential at his age to continue to decline and to put up a truly subpar season even for a second baseman. DeRosa I am not touching at all-he's had such little time as a regular that it is hard to project him (along with his swing change, which of course wouldn't be reflected in the projections anyway). He could be close to 800, and he could be a sub 700, or anywhere in between. My guess is that it will be around 750, but again, that could be a case of simply hedging bets (with his swing change, he should be better than the projections say he will be, but still not nearly as good as the career year of last year is my thinking).

9th ranked Michigan in '02. Actually, they were 6th. And they were 8th when we beat them in '04. They must be referring to end-of-season rankings because we also beat them in '05 when they were 3rd. They were 9th at the end of the season. Well, there you go. One good thing that happened this week is that PSU won their bowl game, so we can finally put that "Weis hasn't beaten a team that finished up ranked" talk to rest. Next season, with ND's schedule, I expect 8 wins, with losses to Michigan and USC again (both will be too talented), as well as any two of Purdue/UCLA/PSU/BC/GT if Calvin somehow comes back. 9 wins and a Gator Bowl berth would be an incredible coaching job by Weis. I guesss I'm not as optimistic as you. 6 or 7 wins next year-there are simply too many playmakers leaving at the end of the year. That doesn't mean it will be absolutely be terrible though-it's just a needed year so Weis can continue to get his recruits in. I agree with you that 9 wins would be a big overacheiving year and would probably be the result of some great coaching.

It's nice to see some consistently close games today after the many blowouts early in the bowl season. The funny thing was is that I picked WV in the bowl pickem but I've been rooting for GT in the last quarter because I realized everyone else around me put more points on WV than I did. :D

Crap. Looks like we have GOT to tie things up this year. Next year will be a BITCH. 10-6 is something to shoot for. Anything better and i'll feel reaaaaaaaal positive about the postseason. Hopefully our helpless division rivals wont make any huge strides and we'll still be able to take the division down easy. Why are you worried? Everyone's assuming next year we'll be bad for some reason. Looking at those teams, there's only one that I could see the Bears having nearly no shot to beat---SD. The rest? Flawed teams just like all the rest, who the Bears should have a decent shot at. We could easily go 11-5, 12-4 on that schedule. We'll still be a team that has been together for longer than these other guys. One more year with most of our players in the same system = big dividends. Just like this year. I would tend to agree with that. While the Bears schedule has been incredibly easy this year (with yesterday's action, the Bears schedule holds a total of 3 opponents with winning records)-that doesn't mean however that making the schedule harder will automatically make a 13 or 14 win team a 9 win team. The Bears are still a very good team, and Grossman with another year under his belt should make the Bears 11 or 12 game winners next year at least.

There seems to be some dissension on that point. If the Jets win, Tennessee should still be able to get in with a Denver loss, a Cincy loss, and a KC win (assuming a Titans win for this scenario to work). With those 3 things happening, the divisional tiebreakers will go first to make sure that only 1 team from each division is in the tiebreaker-in that divisional tiebreaker, KC will eliminate Denver. Then, the Titans and KC will square off in their tiebreaker (with the Jets now at 10-6 and having the 5 seed), and the Titans will win the tiebreaker due to better conference record and will take the 6 seed. Even the experts can't seem to agree about the tiebreakers-everybody I've seen has a different opinion on them, but that's the way I and others have understood the tiebreakers to work.

This is a repost of the post made in the Week 17 NFL games thread: I thought it appropriate to be here as well. These are some playoff scenarios that I got off of a poster on the indystar board with his permission. Remember, these are unofficial scenarios, so they may have a mistake or two, but this guy really did his homework for these. Also, remember that this is before Monday night's games, so it takes the possible variables of those games into consideration. With those disclaimers out of the way, here it is: NFC: Chicago has clinched the #1, a first-round bye, and HFA. New Orleans has clinched at least the #3. They will clinch the #2 and a first-round bye w/ a win OR a Dallas loss tomorrow night, assuming the Cowboys beat Detroit next week at home. The only way the Saints lose the bye is if the Cowboys win BOTH of their last two games, and NO loses next week. Saints fans, root for a Dallas loss tomorrow, but if they win, NO is still good to go w/ a win on their own next week. Seattle has clinched the #4. They are the #4 no matter what. Dallas has clinched at least the #5. They can only lose the division and wind up #5 (assuming they beat Detroit next week again) if they lose to Philly tomorrow night AND Philly wins next week. So even if they lose tomorrow, they still win the division and get the #3 IF Philly loses next week. Cowboys clinch the #3 w/ a win tomorrow over Philly. They still have a shot at the #2 and a first-round bye, but they need to win BOTH of their last two games AND a New Orleans loss. The following teams have NOT clinched a playoff berth yet: Philly controls their own destiny for both a playoff berth and the division. They can clinch the #3 if they win BOTH of their last two games (assuming again Dallas beats Detroit). Even if they lose a game, all they have to do is win one of their last two and they will get the #5 at 9-7. The only trouble the Eagles can get into is if they lose both games and finish 8-8. Even so, they more than likely get in as they would need either a NY Giants loss OR a Carolina win, and they get the #6. If both happen, they get the #5 even at 8-8. The ONLY way Philly misses the playoffs is if they lose BOTH of their last two games, AND the NYG win next week AND Carolina loses next week. NY Giants are still in the best seat for the last spot. Even if the Giants lose, they can still get the #6 at 7-9 if ALL of the following happen: a Green Bay loss, AND a St. Louis loss, AND a Carolina loss, AND an Atlanta loss. Otherwise (and most likely), the Giants need to win next week AND "possibly" a Green Bay loss OR Philly to lose both of their games. The tiebreaker w/ Green Bay if they are 8-8 would come down to strength of victory and right now the NY Giants lead this category, but Green Bay COULD overtake them next week, maybe or maybe not. NY Giants would own the tiebreak over Philly. If they can overtake both teams, NY Giants can still finish as the #5. Green Bay is in the next best shape but still needs some help. They can ONLY get the #6 seed, as they cannot catch Philly like the Giants possibly still can. Obviously, Packers have to win their game next week. IF NY Giants win Saturday night, they need a win next week AND must overtake the NY Giants in the strength of victory tiebreaker (as mentioned above). IF NY Giants lose Saturday, they need a win AND a St. Louis loss. St. Louis needs a win and some help also. They can only get the #6 as they also cannot catch Philly. Obviously, the Rams have to win to have a chance. They also MUST get a NY Giants loss AND a Carolina loss AND an Atlanta loss. They DON'T need Packers to lose. Carolina also needs help, but not as much as St. Louis. They can only get the #6 seed. Obviously, the Panthers have to win their game. They need a win AND a NY Giants loss AND a Green Bay loss to get in. Atlanta needs even more help. Obviously, they have to win to have a chance. Atlanta DOES NOT need help from St. Louis, that's the good news. The bad is that they need a win AND a Carolina loss AND a Green Bay loss AND a NY Giants loss to get in. Additionally, if Atlanta makes it in based on that formula, they can still get the #5 if Philly loses both of their last two. Philly losses don't keep them from being eliminated though if any of those other teams win. AFC: San Diego has clinched at least the #2 and a first-round bye. They need a win OR a Baltimore loss to clinch the #1 and HFA. The only way they don't get HFA is if they lose (unlikely) and Baltimore wins. Baltimore has clinched at least the #3. They still have a shot at the #1 and HFA w/ a win AND a SD loss. More likely though, they control their own destiny for the #2 and a first-round bye. They get it w/ a win OR a Colts loss. The only way the Ravens lose the bye is if they lose and we win next week. Colts have clinched at least the #4 seed. We wind up #4 if we lose AND New England wins next week. So even if we lose, if NE also loses then we get the #3. We clinch the #3 w/ a win, but still have a shot at the bye. We get the #2 and a first-round bye w/ a win AND a Baltimore loss. New England has clinched at least the #4. The only way they can move up is to the #3 w/ a win AND a Colt's loss. The following teams have NOT clinched a playoff berth yet: Denver controls its own destiny. If they win, they are in (highly likely they will). Even if they lose, they still have a good shot at 9-7 but need either KC to lose to Jax OR one NYJ loss (tomorrow night to Miami is realistically only chance) and they get the #6. Would even still get the #5 if BOTH of those things happen. The only way the Broncos miss the playoffs is if they lose AND KC beats Jax and the NY Jets win both of their last two. NY Jets also control their own destiny. If they win BOTH of their last two, they are in w/ at least the #6 seed (could also still get the #5 if Denver loses next week). If they lose both games, they are out. If they split and go 9-7 (say a loss tomorrow night to Miami and then a win over lowly OAK next week) then they have a chance but need help. They would need 2 of the following 3 things to happen to make it (if all 3 happened they would get the #5): a Cincy loss, {a Denver loss AND a KC win}, {a Tennessee win OR Jax loss}. So if Denver wins (as is likely) the Jets would need a Cincy loss and either a Jax loss or a Tenn win to get in at 9-7. Cincinnati is in the best shape of the teams that DON'T control their own destiny. Obviously, they need a win. As for help, they need EITHER for the NY Jets to lose a game (only real chance tomorrow night) OR {Denver loss AND KC win}. So if Denver wins as they should or KC loses, basically Cincy's hopes come down to a loss tomorrow night by the Jets. Tennessee does not need help from Jax at least. Obviously, they have to win. They also need 2 of the following 3 things to happen (if all 3 happen they get the #5): a Cincy loss, NY Jets lose BOTH of their games, {a Denver loss AND a KC win}. Really a longshot, because their only hope rests on either Denver losing at home to San Fran or the Jets losing at home to the Raiders. Not likely, but there's still hope at least. Jacksonville can only get the #6 seed. They obviously must beat KC next week, plus ALL of the following. They need a win AND a Tennessee loss, AND Cincy loss, AND one NY Jets loss (only real chance is tomorrow night). If the Jets win tomorrow night, they need a lot of help including an Oakland win. Yuck. Kansas City must obviously beat Jax next week to have a chance. They also need 3 of the following 4 things to happen: a Denver loss, a Tennesee loss, a Cincy loss, NYJ lose BOTH of their last two games. So if Denver wins as expected and the Jets can beat Oakland as expected, KC can't do anything about their fate either. But, at least they are alive for now. So enjoy reading about all the crazy scenarios your around .500 team needs to make the playoffs

These are some playoff scenarios that I got off of a poster on the indystar board with his permission. Remember, these are unofficial scenarios, so they may have a mistake or two, but this guy really did his homework for these. Also, remember that this is before Monday night's games, so it takes the possible variables of those games into consideration. With those disclaimers out of the way, here it is: NFC: Chicago has clinched the #1, a first-round bye, and HFA. New Orleans has clinched at least the #3. They will clinch the #2 and a first-round bye w/ a win OR a Dallas loss tomorrow night, assuming the Cowboys beat Detroit next week at home. The only way the Saints lose the bye is if the Cowboys win BOTH of their last two games, and NO loses next week. Saints fans, root for a Dallas loss tomorrow, but if they win, NO is still good to go w/ a win on their own next week. Seattle has clinched the #4. They are the #4 no matter what. Dallas has clinched at least the #5. They can only lose the division and wind up #5 (assuming they beat Detroit next week again) if they lose to Philly tomorrow night AND Philly wins next week. So even if they lose tomorrow, they still win the division and get the #3 IF Philly loses next week. Cowboys clinch the #3 w/ a win tomorrow over Philly. They still have a shot at the #2 and a first-round bye, but they need to win BOTH of their last two games AND a New Orleans loss. The following teams have NOT clinched a playoff berth yet: Philly controls their own destiny for both a playoff berth and the division. They can clinch the #3 if they win BOTH of their last two games (assuming again Dallas beats Detroit). Even if they lose a game, all they have to do is win one of their last two and they will get the #5 at 9-7. The only trouble the Eagles can get into is if they lose both games and finish 8-8. Even so, they more than likely get in as they would need either a NY Giants loss OR a Carolina win, and they get the #6. If both happen, they get the #5 even at 8-8. The ONLY way Philly misses the playoffs is if they lose BOTH of their last two games, AND the NYG win next week AND Carolina loses next week. NY Giants are still in the best seat for the last spot. Even if the Giants lose, they can still get the #6 at 7-9 if ALL of the following happen: a Green Bay loss, AND a St. Louis loss, AND a Carolina loss, AND an Atlanta loss. Otherwise (and most likely), the Giants need to win next week AND "possibly" a Green Bay loss OR Philly to lose both of their games. The tiebreaker w/ Green Bay if they are 8-8 would come down to strength of victory and right now the NY Giants lead this category, but Green Bay COULD overtake them next week, maybe or maybe not. NY Giants would own the tiebreak over Philly. If they can overtake both teams, NY Giants can still finish as the #5. Green Bay is in the next best shape but still needs some help. They can ONLY get the #6 seed, as they cannot catch Philly like the Giants possibly still can. Obviously, Packers have to win their game next week. IF NY Giants win Saturday night, they need a win next week AND must overtake the NY Giants in the strength of victory tiebreaker (as mentioned above). IF NY Giants lose Saturday, they need a win AND a St. Louis loss. St. Louis needs a win and some help also. They can only get the #6 as they also cannot catch Philly. Obviously, the Rams have to win to have a chance. They also MUST get a NY Giants loss AND a Carolina loss AND an Atlanta loss. They DON'T need Packers to lose. Carolina also needs help, but not as much as St. Louis. They can only get the #6 seed. Obviously, the Panthers have to win their game. They need a win AND a NY Giants loss AND a Green Bay loss to get in. Atlanta needs even more help. Obviously, they have to win to have a chance. Atlanta DOES NOT need help from St. Louis, that's the good news. The bad is that they need a win AND a Carolina loss AND a Green Bay loss AND a NY Giants loss to get in. Additionally, if Atlanta makes it in based on that formula, they can still get the #5 if Philly loses both of their last two. Philly losses don't keep them from being eliminated though if any of those other teams win. AFC: San Diego has clinched at least the #2 and a first-round bye. They need a win OR a Baltimore loss to clinch the #1 and HFA. The only way they don't get HFA is if they lose (unlikely) and Baltimore wins. Baltimore has clinched at least the #3. They still have a shot at the #1 and HFA w/ a win AND a SD loss. More likely though, they control their own destiny for the #2 and a first-round bye. They get it w/ a win OR a Colts loss. The only way the Ravens lose the bye is if they lose and we win next week. Colts have clinched at least the #4 seed. We wind up #4 if we lose AND New England wins next week. So even if we lose, if NE also loses then we get the #3. We clinch the #3 w/ a win, but still have a shot at the bye. We get the #2 and a first-round bye w/ a win AND a Baltimore loss. New England has clinched at least the #4. The only way they can move up is to the #3 w/ a win AND a Colt's loss. The following teams have NOT clinched a playoff berth yet: Denver controls its own destiny. If they win, they are in (highly likely they will). Even if they lose, they still have a good shot at 9-7 but need either KC to lose to Jax OR one NYJ loss (tomorrow night to Miami is realistically only chance) and they get the #6. Would even still get the #5 if BOTH of those things happen. The only way the Broncos miss the playoffs is if they lose AND KC beats Jax and the NY Jets win both of their last two. NY Jets also control their own destiny. If they win BOTH of their last two, they are in w/ at least the #6 seed (could also still get the #5 if Denver loses next week). If they lose both games, they are out. If they split and go 9-7 (say a loss tomorrow night to Miami and then a win over lowly OAK next week) then they have a chance but need help. They would need 2 of the following 3 things to happen to make it (if all 3 happened they would get the #5): a Cincy loss, {a Denver loss AND a KC win}, {a Tennessee win OR Jax loss}. So if Denver wins (as is likely) the Jets would need a Cincy loss and either a Jax loss or a Tenn win to get in at 9-7. Cincinnati is in the best shape of the teams that DON'T control their own destiny. Obviously, they need a win. As for help, they need EITHER for the NY Jets to lose a game (only real chance tomorrow night) OR {Denver loss AND KC win}. So if Denver wins as they should or KC loses, basically Cincy's hopes come down to a loss tomorrow night by the Jets. Tennessee does not need help from Jax at least. Obviously, they have to win. They also need 2 of the following 3 things to happen (if all 3 happen they get the #5): a Cincy loss, NY Jets lose BOTH of their games, {a Denver loss AND a KC win}. Really a longshot, because their only hope rests on either Denver losing at home to San Fran or the Jets losing at home to the Raiders. Not likely, but there's still hope at least. Jacksonville can only get the #6 seed. They obviously must beat KC next week, plus ALL of the following. They need a win AND a Tennessee loss, AND Cincy loss, AND one NY Jets loss (only real chance is tomorrow night). If the Jets win tomorrow night, they need a lot of help including an Oakland win. Yuck. Kansas City must obviously beat Jax next week to have a chance. They also need 3 of the following 4 things to happen: a Denver loss, a Tennesee loss, a Cincy loss, NYJ lose BOTH of their last two games. So if Denver wins as expected and the Jets can beat Oakland as expected, KC can't do anything about their fate either. But, at least they are alive for now. So enjoy reading about all the crazy scenarios your around .500 team needs to make the playoffs :D.

I would guess they're waiting for the results of tonight's games so that they get a game between two teams vying for their playoff lives. The most likely candidates to get moved to Sunday night are probably Atlanta-Philly, Jacksonville-Kansas City (less likely due to less interest in these teams) or New England-Tennessee if Miami loses tonight. If Miami wins tonight, a lot of the drama comes out of the AFC because there's no way Oakland beats the Jets next week, and Denver should beat the Niners also. So, my money's on Philly-Atlanta. I think they have to announce the game today though. It was a mininum of 6 days in advance for week 17, and Tuesday would be too late for that-I would expect to hear it this afternoon.

To answer you, I wouldn't be surprised at all, but I don't expect it either. The most likely opponents for them right now if they remain the 3 seed (they could still get the 2 seed if they win and Baltimore loses, and could get the 4 seed if they lose and New England wins) are the Jets and the Bengals I believe, who the Colts have beaten both of them already. They definitely could lose to either of those teams, but I see them getting to at least the divisional round, if that come from the bye or from winning the wildcard game.

It's beginning to heat up as Hawaii scored three times in the third, hopefully it keeps building from there. By the way, I really enjoy watching Hawaii's offense, it seems to run so smoothly. And I think Arizona State may be worse than even I thought, they've looked really bad tonight. I don't know about that-Arizona State has played about as well as Purdue did, and that's somewhat close to their level this year (and Purdue was probably better during the season). I'm not sure what you actually thought they were, but they were a so-so team all season, and they have been a so-so team so far tonight.

Actually, I mean Hendry probably believes what he said, but I think Melvin is alot smarter. Put it this way, thats an easy way to please the average fan. Just a second-you called this quote of Melvin's "dumb" a few weeks ago: So why would you think he was telling the truth in that quote, but not telling the truth in his quotes about Suppan? I don't see why he would lie about one and tell the truth on another, which makes me think that he really does believe the sorts of things that he has been saying all offseason.

I'm very disappointed in this ASU-Hawaii game so far. I don't want this out of every game I watch, but one bowl game a year I just want to know that it's going to be all offense and just watch the fireworks. I was thinking this was going to be the game, and they have a long way to go from the 3-3 score with 5 minutes gone in the second quarter. This game will almost certainly heat up from here, but it's still going to be a long way to get into the high 30's-40's I was hoping for-oh well.

That's true-if the Titans beat New England next week, the Jaguars are automatically eliminated. The Jags are 5-6 in the AFC, they are just about out of it. If it makes you feel any better, I think the Titans have lost 7. No-they are also 5-6. The AFC playoff possibilites really get larger if Denver wins today. If Denver loses and KC wins next week, KC eliminates Denver first becasue of a division tiebreaker, but then KC is eliminated because of their terrible conference record. That would open it up to Cincy first because of their good conference record, and then the Titans. The Jets are the x-factor in all of this. They most likely need to lose at least one game for a team like the Titans to get in, although it's theoretically possible for the Titans to get in without that help (although without Jets help, it would require Denver win over Cincy, Denver loss to SF, KC win next week, Cincy loss next week, and a Titans win next week-which is very, very unlikely.) So if Denver and the Jets lose and the Chiefs win, Titans are in? After the Cincy-Denver game is over, I am going to try to look over some possibilities-that game changes too much right now though to make projections right now easy to explain. I'll post what I find out tonight.

That's true-if the Titans beat New England next week, the Jaguars are automatically eliminated. The Jags are 5-6 in the AFC, they are just about out of it. If it makes you feel any better, I think the Titans have lost 7. No-they are also 5-6. The AFC playoff possibilites really get larger if Denver wins today. If Denver loses and KC wins next week, KC eliminates Denver first becasue of a division tiebreaker, but then KC is eliminated because of their terrible conference record. That would open it up to Cincy first because of their good conference record, and then the Titans. The Jets are the x-factor in all of this. They most likely need to lose at least one game for a team like the Titans to get in, although it's theoretically possible for the Titans to get in without that help (although without Jets help, it would require Denver win over Cincy, Denver loss to SF, KC win next week, Cincy loss next week, and a Titans win next week-which is very, very unlikely.)

That's true-if the Titans beat New England next week, the Jaguars are automatically eliminated. Not if my friend, when. With this team, anything is possible. Sure-anything is possible, that's why I used if. Nothing is guaranteed, that's why I didn't use when :D. You just don't want to admit your fear of Vince and the Titans. :P Well, I told my wife in disgust during the Titans game that I couldn't believe the Colts would have to play him twice a year for the next 15 years-if you want more fear then that, I can't give it to you. :D I'm definitely rooting for Denver in this game now-if Denver wins, both spots are still up for grabs next week. If Cincy wins, they get one of the wildcard spots automatically.