Mephistopheles

Sir, you are guilty of not watching the games. Soto will win the NL MVP and hit 75 HR's in 2008. No one will steal a base on Geovany Soto unless they know what's good for them. Soto will burn down the house of anyone who even remotely thinks of stealing a base on him. Soto will have a CERA of 1.25. He would make it lower, but he honestly doesn't want "GOD" status in just his rookie season. Is it now time for Geovany Soto jokes a la Chuck Norris? This seems to have some potential, if you ask me. :D When Geovany Soto does pushups, he doesn't push himself up, he pushes the ground down. in reality neither matters. it does not matter which is moving

Grossman is #1,023,963 on my list. Right after Randy Leeson, RHP - Kishwaukee College.

i only saw the tale end of it saying that clemens showed normal aging patterns for other old elite pitchers. um who has 2 of his 4 best seasons per era when they are 42 and 43

we cant select guys from cy fair.

we're not really saying HRs are worth a lot. We're saying that OBP is worth a lot. and we're also comparing the two extremes, Yes, as long as Jones is hitting his 40 HRs not like last year id take him over Ichiro, who really isnt much more than below average defensively.

So based on your "numbers" Theriot is better, but you would rather have Green, but Green is god awful. OK, you've convinced me. Because I know it's not just about the numbers, but these guys are insisting on me including numbers into it. I dont think Theriot is good, but I dont think Greene is much of an upgrade. You gotta take into account future projections as well. Name P Age AVG OBP SLG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS Ryan Theriot ss 28 .266 .324 .348 143 492 71 131 25 3 3 42 41 51 25 4 Khalil Greene ss 28 .249 .300 .442 139 523 73 130 37 2 20 77 36 111 5 0 Chone Figgins# 3b 30 .283 .354 .386 141 552 92 156 25 7 6 58 60 91 41 12 Kenny Lofton* cf 41 .279 .340 .356 98 348 55 97 11 5 2 37 33 32 17 4 So Figgins projects @ 44 OPS points over Lofton with comparable defense, and Greene projects @ 50 OPS points over Theriot (with 81 games in PETCO) and much better defense. There, now were taking projections into account. we're taking projections with greene in petco....when hes not in petco if hes a cub BRILLIANT! Wow...even when someone's on your side... Plus I noted that they were at PETCO to point out that it was flawed...making him look worse than he is. When you can find me full season projections for Greene without 81 games at PETCO, post them. lmao. I actually thought he posted them. i was like, "huh he knows zips?" the quoting system sucks here. sorry

No, I like this board and its quick on getting news and rumors. But some of these opinions that I've come across today are ridiculous. Yeah I know. That one guy who said that batting average meant as much as home runs was really out there. What'd you think about him?

no chance Cutter Dykstra. it just oozes S2B.

So based on your "numbers" Theriot is better, but you would rather have Green, but Green is god awful. OK, you've convinced me. Because I know it's not just about the numbers, but these guys are insisting on me including numbers into it. I dont think Theriot is good, but I dont think Greene is much of an upgrade. You gotta take into account future projections as well. Name P Age AVG OBP SLG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS Ryan Theriot ss 28 .266 .324 .348 143 492 71 131 25 3 3 42 41 51 25 4 Khalil Greene ss 28 .249 .300 .442 139 523 73 130 37 2 20 77 36 111 5 0 Chone Figgins# 3b 30 .283 .354 .386 141 552 92 156 25 7 6 58 60 91 41 12 Kenny Lofton* cf 41 .279 .340 .356 98 348 55 97 11 5 2 37 33 32 17 4 So Figgins projects @ 44 OPS points over Lofton with comparable defense, and Greene projects @ 50 OPS points over Theriot (with 81 games in PETCO) and much better defense. There, now were taking projections into account. we're taking projections with greene in petco....when hes not in petco if hes a cub BRILLIANT!

LOVE THIS. If you guys were smart you would read it more carefully where I put "since it shows what kind of player they are." HR's and SB's are comparable depending on the player. For instance Greene is a power hitter thus he hit around 28 HR's and had around 4 stolen bases. Theriot is a speedy guy meaning he hit around 4 HR's and has about 28 SB's. See how they are comparable. I'm not saying I would take 28 SB's over 28 HR's, but im saying thats the type of player they are. Greene has a good amount of HR's for the type of hitter he his, and Theriot has a good amount of SB's for the type of player he is. Why is it ok to say that HR's and SLG matter but OBP and SB's dont??? Who the f*ck decides that that is more important in baseball? I completely disagree. I think OBP is just as important as stuff like SLG. I think batting average is just as important as stuff like HR's. It's ridiculous to say it is not! hey brutha in your own words what does batting average tell us? if it something close to this: it tells us how often a player gets a hit then it is wrong. it does not tell us that

I considered Davis and would have considered Paramore if we did not have depth in the system behind the plate. I love Paramores patience

Because he's Jim Hendry.

I are [expletive].

or his strike outs. in a lot of situations strike outs are better than other out forms

Of course not. Just like Pie's attractiveness to the Marlins died when they traded for Cameron Maybin. Just like Pie's immediate attractiveness to the Padres died when they got Jim Edmonds. We knew they liked Pie but we did not know they liked Murton earlier. We could have easily turned the two of them into a good haul. I think you know who I am talking about.

duece, shut it. i am Mephistopheles and i support greene, so should you. it is that simple.

im pretty sure he fell out of favor with dodger fans the day he signed his contract.

Remember when Jim was making good trades? Nomar, Lee, Ramirez, Barrett, etc? I miss that Jim. now we trade hall of famers for cesar izturis or jerry hairston

i wonder who started the greene love fest on nsbb.

1. Park factors do not mean everybody is effected. That's why I cannot stand the way most people here interpret them. They should be used only in situations when determining value. When determining value you do player x's production - a league average player * pf. You don't do anything to x's production. Statistically speaking, Jake Peavy has done little to suggest that Petco has a large impact on his numbers. While Petco is a huge park factor for most pitchers, Jake Peavy not so much. Regardless I did have some adjustment for park that hurt Peavy. 2. Let's take a dead pull flyball righthanded hitter. Let's compare what he does in RFK to what he does in Enron. Obviously RFK hurts his strength and Enron helps his strength (Lets call him Hunter). So if there is a player (say left handed OBP/BB driven player) who has similar production in a neutral setting. We would expect him to be more valuable than Hunter in RFK, but not as nearly valuable in Enron. The same thing is possible for pitchers. A groundball pitcher is better suited for a small park and a flyball pitcher is better suited for a large one. These are not breakthrough ideas here. They are relatively simple. I'm not a fan of using post season numbers, but look for on the aggregate what is good for post season success. There is no reason to believe Peavy *chokes* it away for some reason. The three starts he had below the playoff game this year were excellent and the Padres were fighting for their lives at the time. There's little difference. One year he had a broken rib for crying out loud. Anyways its not as if Santana has been great in the playoffs either. Fenway really hasn't hurt Beckett. Sorry. (dont look at one year ---- or ERA)

oh man that would suck

Shooter Hunt's gone. Dammit you took the guy one pick before that I would have selected considering I had him at number two 15 picks ago or however many it was! I am not a big fan of drafting crafty high scoolers like DeVall and I certainly don't like the appeal of taking two HS pitchers 1-2, unless I think it's a knock your socks off steal. And I cant draft someone from Cy Fair. I'd like to go advanced college bat here. 1. Jemile Weeks, 2B - Miami 2. Chris Amezquita, SS - Servite HS (CA) 3. Jordan Danks, OF - Texas 4. Alex Wilson, RHP - Winthrop 5. Roger Kieschnick, RF - Texas Tech Also consider Zach Putnam, Brett Wallace Weeks has quality discipline, will stick at second, surprising power and good wheels. He'll hit for average as well. More walks than Ks might I add. Amezquita may not stick but his arm plays anywhere and has a good bat. Avery has plus plus speed and will have illegal range in CF. Danks could slide to CF.

1. Tampa Bay Devil Rays - Pedro Alvarez, 1B/LF - Vanderbilt 2. Pittsburgh Pirates - Tim Beckham, SS - Griffin HS (GA) 3. Kansas City Royals - Aaron Crow, RHP - Missouri 4. Baltimore Orioles - Brian Matusz, LHP - San Diego 5. San Francisco Giants - Eric Hosmer, 1B - American Heritage HS (FL) 6. Florida Marlins - Tim Melville, RHP - Holt HS (MO) 7. Cincinnati Reds- Ryan Perry, RHP - Arizona 8. Chicago White Sox - Christian Friedrich, LHP - Eastern Kentucky 9. Washington Nationals - Kyle Skipworth, C - Patriot HS (CA) 10. Houston Astros - Gerrit Cole, RHP - Orange Lutheran HS (CA) 11. Texas Rangers - Alex Meyer, RHP - Greensburg HS (IN) 12. Oakland A's - Justin Smoak, 1B - South Carolina 13. St. Louis Cardinals - Jacob Thompson, RHP - Virginia 14. Minnesota Twins - Harold Martinez, SS/3B - Braddock HS (FL) 15. Los Angeles Dodgers - Aaron Hicks, RHP - Wilson HS (CA) 16. Milwaukee Brewers - Cole St. Clair, LHP - Rice 17. Toronto Blue Jays - Yonder Alonso, 1B - Miami 18. New York Mets- Brett Hunter, RHP - Pepperdine 19. Chicago Cubs- Sonny Gray, RHP - Smyrna HS (TN) 20. Seattle Mariners - Tyson Ross, RHP - Cal 21. Detroit Tigers - Dennis Raben, RF - Miami 22. New York Mets - Isaac Galloway, OF - Los Osos HS (CA) 23. San Diego Padres - Scott Green, RHP - Kentucky 24. Philadelphia Phillies - Ethan Martin, 3B - Stephens County HS (GA) 25. Colorado Rockies - Kyle Lobstein, LHP - Coconino HS (AZ) 26. Arizona Diamondbacks - Shooter Hunt, RHP - Tulane 27. Minnesota Twins - Luke Burnett, RHP - Louisiana Tech 28. New York Yankees - Aaron Shafer, RHP - Wichita State 29. Cleveland Indians - Gordon Beckham, SS/2B - Georgia 30. Boston Red Sox - Kyle Long, LHP - St. Anne's-Belfield School (VA) 31. Minnesota Twins- Xavier Avery, CF - Cedar Grove HS (GA) 32. Milwaukee Brewers - Brandon Crawford, SS - UCLA 33. New York Mets - Buster Posey, C - FSU 34. Philadelphia Phillies - Jarret Martin, LHP - Centennial HS (CA) 35. Milwaukee Brewers - Daniel Webb, RHP - Heath HS (KY)

1. It's the context duh. Obviously when I said I'd take Peavy over Santana straight up, I meant for the Cubs since we're talking about trading for Santana. It should be fairly obvious that we're running under that assumption. 2. Who said I spent the entire time doing that? I didn't lol. Jesus. Yes, except it's really not a factor these days. The surface is not as bad as it was ten years ago and of course he's got less GBs to begin with. It's a minimal factor. 2, 3 runs tops.

I see Cedeno, Gallagher/Marshall for craprospect