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Hearing now that ESPN trumped Fox's deal for the Big 12 to survive.. Dunno what to believe now other than it's a done deal. They are being really hush hush right now in terms of who the TV contract is with.

& by the way, I'm now hearing the contract is most likely with Fox, not just FSN. This means national prime time games on Thursday night, and potentially all day Saturday (2 afternoon/1 night). Thus, the network (on top of having it's own Big 12 channel) will be getting nationally broadcasted games. That's a no lose situation and a reason to be worried for ESPN and ABC. I don't care who the teams are, if there is another option to watch on Thursday night and Saturday, ESPN and ABC will lose some viewers, regardless of the number, they're losing some. People are really hush hush right now on the network is really is, so this is an assumption from my source.

yeah but it's not like they're getting all this extra money because CU and NU left... they're getting it because fox is desperate and apparently doesn't care if they lose many millions a year as long as they can put some college football on the air for a few months. Unfortunately, you're wrong. The contract was estimated to be worth between 13-15 million dollars per team when it was being discussed about a month ago as a Big 12/Pac 10 shared network at the Big 12 meetings. The dollar values have risen because Cu and NU left. In order to keep the conference in tact, if fox wanted the contract, they now have to pay them like they'd be paid in the SEC, Big 10, or Pac 10. The conference had more bargaining power now (pay or else we leave and you get no deal) than they had if no defections had happened at all. If they didn't like the deal they were presented, it's bye bye Big 12 and no contract for Fox.

Thank you for making me laugh.

Sorry to break it to you, but they'll be more than doubling what they got with CU and NU around with the new deal. The conference schedule for the North based teams just got much tougher with NU and CU leaving. Without those TV sets, how do they get the money? You really underestimate what Nebraska meant to the Big XII. Not buying it... The contract is GUARANTEED. That means these teams are SURE to get anywhere between 15-17 mil a year (KU, KSU, ISU, BU, Mizzou, TT, OSU) and 20+ Mil a year (OU, aTm, and UT). They currently receive between 7-10 mil a year from their TV contract, and that was WITH CU and NU. Spin it any which way you want, but you are dead wrong.

Sorry to break it to you, but they'll be more than doubling what they got with CU and NU around with the new deal. The conference schedule for the North based teams just got much tougher with NU and CU leaving.

Seriously???? GMAFB.. The conference is stronger in Bball without Both CU and NU. The football schedule gets tougher for the North teams too without either of them. How is this hard to understand?

lol Hilarious...

Seriously???? GMAFB..

Wow, so divisions again then? AF in the north with Oklahoma? Interesting. Everything I hear says it won't happen... I keep hearing 10 teams no divisions.

Just saw this though... Looks like Big12 will be back to 12. BYU and Air Force will be invited to replace NU and CU by Wed. Texas/Okla schools are all on board. http://twitter.com/1049thehorn

http://www2.kusports.com/weblogs/big-12-realignment/2010/jun/14/big-12-on-the-verge-of-survival/ I asked my guy about that, and he says no, that it's only going to be a 10 team conference. No additions. Who knows, the rumors have been rampant the last week and a half.

What station are you listening to? ESPN Radio on Sirius. Gottleib's show.

An opinion... do you know this for fact? Recruiting right now is 10x better than it was under Prince. Had Snyder not retired the first time, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation. I know mine is an opinion too, but I guarantee they don't make a hire like Prince after Snyder's gone. Think Jim Levitt or along those lines.

More from Chip: CU seen as "such a nonperformer" that they were viewed as bringing 0% to the table for TV...so Big XII sold it as only one school actually lost from Big XII (Nebraska). OU/UT may move from TX State Fairgrounds to Jerry's Taj in Dallas. Mike Slive and SEC in College Station on Saturday, Larry Scott and Weiberg (Pac-10) in College Station on Sunday...full court press was on.

you downplayed the population of the denver area by saying that people don't care that much about CU sports, and then said that nobody lives in nebraska so it doesn't matter that their fans are rabid and fiercely loyal. pick one argument, not two arguments that contradict each other because you want to downplay two defections from the conference you like. That talk about Colorado and Nebraska population was not in the post where i was talking about ESPN. It was in a different context talking about something totally different than ESPN being worried about Fox. Guess the ESPN talk doesn't matter anyway, because it's expected that this becomes official soon.

Summary from Chip on the radio: Not at all a bluff"...television network (didn't say which one, but it has to be FOX) stepped forward and helped everyone avoid chaos in college football. He's taken an oath of secrecy and can't talk about which TV network it was, but it avoided "armageddon" in college football. Big 12 not going to add new teams - TV package is built for 10 teams. To all the skeptics on the numbers - M.B.A. types have been over it with a fine tooth comb, but this is guaranteed money for the schools. Announcement to come today.

Chip just commented on the radio that it's "official" and an announcement could be coming any moment. Confirms what I was hearing earlier. I guess my source is not garbage.

Yes you are. Why else would you keep bringing up Fox and ESPN? I've said nothing about markets nor prestige in my posts. You may want to go back and re-read them. I've said how the Big 12 signing a deal with Fox takes money away from ESPN. You show me where I've mentioned markets or prestige. The very nature of the topic encompasses markets, without a doubt. And prestige as well, since that's what drives a lot of eyeballs. Nothing I said in my posts (re read them again) touches markets or prestige. They encompass the nature of another conference taking away money from ESPN by agreeing to a deal with Fox. Quit reaching. As a matter of fact, in a previous post WELL before I said anything about ESPN, you will see that I negated the CU market's importance to the Big 12. It's the only mention of a market in any post I've made in this topic.

Yes you are. Why else would you keep bringing up Fox and ESPN? I've said nothing about markets nor prestige in my posts. You may want to go back and re-read them. I've said how the Big 12 signing a deal with Fox takes money away from ESPN. You show me where I've mentioned markets or prestige.

The Big 12 lost a TON of dead weight in Colorado, and a TON of basketball dead weight in Nebraska. The conference actually just got stronger and more difficult, especially for the B12 north teams in football. Now they'll play UT and OU every year as opposed to playing NU and CU. In terms of basketball, it's much harder all around. You will most likely play all teams twice as opposed to getting to play CU or NU twice (for north teams) and the south teams will now have to play KU, Mizzou, and the up and coming KSU twice instead of playing CU or NU once. Basketball RPI was just insured of going WAY up for an already top 2 year in and year out RPI conference. getting rid of iowa st and kansas st would have been getting rid of dead weight... they lost one of their largest media markets and their third or fourth most prestigious football program. Hahaha.... I'm not speaking of markets, nor prestige. I'll agree that KSU football has gone downhill since the 90's, but am it's on it's way back up. KSU basketball is a preseason top 5-10 next year who gave the big 12 (vs KU) their highest rated TV game ever last year. Colorado isn't the media darling you talk it up to be. That state does NOT support that school at all (hence all the empty seats at both FB and BB games). Colorado couldn't care less about college sports. It's a professional sports media darling that is not a big loss at all for the Big 12 in terms of market. NU Bball is always a joke, and will never be any different. Football, yes, they have prestige, but watch that drop when they start getting pummeled in the Big 10 by Penn State, Ohio State, etc. I won't argue about Iowa State however, as they've not been good at much since I was in college in the 90's. A few years of bball, but overall, nothing impressive. And if you want to really talk about KSU bball being good for only one year, look at this. Before last season this was put out, and wow, Sagarin has KSU as #27 all time in terms of bball... http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2009/1004/cbe1.pdf

The Big 12 lost a TON of dead weight in Colorado, and a TON of basketball dead weight in Nebraska. The conference actually just got stronger and more difficult, especially for the B12 north teams in football. Now they'll play UT and OU every year as opposed to playing NU and CU. In terms of basketball, it's much harder all around. You will most likely play all teams twice as opposed to getting to play CU or NU twice (for north teams) and the south teams will now have to play KU, Mizzou, and the up and coming KSU twice instead of playing CU or NU once. Basketball RPI was just insured of going WAY up for an already top 2 year in and year out RPI conference.

My understanding is that ESPN wants the Big 12 to stay alive because they were afraid of a huge Fox deal with a 16-team Pac 10/Big 12. But with Fox being the network in charge of the new TV contract for the Big 12, they're surely taking dollars away from ESPN. Thus, if the Big 12 collapsed, it's less of a hit on ESPN than it would be to them if the conference remains and signs a mega deal with Fox. I don't get your whole Fox versus ESPN talk. Fox tried playing with ESPN, they lost, like a decade ago. Any conference that doesn't have a TV deal with ESPN like he ACC does, but signs on with Fox, takes potential TV revenue away from ESPN.

My understanding is that ESPN wants the Big 12 to stay alive because they were afraid of a huge Fox deal with a 16-team Pac 10/Big 12. But with Fox being the network in charge of the new TV contract for the Big 12, they're surely taking dollars away from ESPN. Prior to this, there were rumors of a Big 12/Pac 10 (not Pac 16) combined TV deal. ESPN wants the Big 12 to fail. This makes it even worse though because now there are 2 new TV deals with Fox and it's even more of a hit on ESPN than a merged Pac 10/Big 12 deal. If the Big 12 collapsed, it's less of a hit on ESPN (only having a Pac 16 deal) than it would be to them if the conference remains and signs a mega deal with Fox to keep it alive. They want the Big 12 dead. One conference deal (Pac 16) is less of an impact than 2 separate conference deals.

I'll be really pissed if ESPN steps in and screws this up, which may be a possibility in the long term. I really think that ESPN wants the Big 12 to fail to take Fox out of the picture in terms of taking away potential ESPN/ABC dollars. I guess we'll see, but it's always a possibility. Just talking out of my ass on this one.