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if Mizzou could play Illinois again, that would really get them going.

because we're down 21-0

Guess I could hope for an OU win, a MU win and then MU beating OU in the Big XII title game.

I'll pull for Kansas if you pull for Missouri. Really, we have no choice. how does mizzou winning benefit KU? 11/29/2008 - Arrowhead Stadium Also, I hope KU keeps this intensity up. They're really getting after Bradford.

I'll pull for Kansas if you pull for Missouri. Really, we have no choice.

I wasn't bringing up Kinsler and Bradley in terms of MVP voting, because obviously the injuries would play a factor. My point in bringing them up was to show that Hamilton wasn't even a top 2 offensive player on his own team this season, yet apparently he was some freak of nature while on the field. He's "The natural".. but only when Bradley and Kinsler are on the DL. When they're healthy it's just not fair to ocmpare them..because Hamilton clearly rubbed off on them, allowing them to outperform him. What a great story. Okay, so you're touting VORP so hard.... so can you give me a detailed walkthrough of how stadiums are taken into account? I want equations and all that. I know it does, but I'd like to hear all aobut it from you.... otherwise you're just throwing out a number that somebody else came up with and passing it off as your own argument. Umm, I am? No I'm not, you're just choosing not to listen to what I'm saying. What metric am I denying? VORP and what else? I didn't deny the fact that he had just the 16th best OPS in the league. Where are all these denials from me? I asked you to explain the home/road part of VORP and that's it. Actually, you're are the one that is sticking to one metric and denying everything else. "Well yeah, all the other evidence shows that he shouldn't be in the top 10 of MVP voting, but VORP shows him as 5th so that's all that matters. I don't really know how home/road is factored into VORP either, but I bet it's good. The guy who made it is really smart." at least we agree on something

Wait, it doesn't matter if he was helped greatly by his own park? Seriously? It really seems like you're reaching now. Of course it matters, because if any other player was put in Hamilton's position this season, he would have recieved the same beneifits. So because Hamilton gets that benefit, he is more valuable than those other guys? No, the stadium is just more valuable. This is relevant because every visiting player that steps into that staidum gets the same advantage, putting Hamilton less in front of the curve. Put it this way. Let's say the Rangers trade for Mark DeRosa, who then goes .300/.385/.525 with 26 home runs next season Meanwhile, Adrian Gonzalez goes .285/.365/.525 while playing in Petco. Pretend for a minute that they both played the same position... so who was more valuable? By your logic, DeRosa would be, although Gonzalez would have put up better numbers if they both played in the same park. That makes sense to you? If position is factored into MVP voting, then ballparks should be as well. Of course DeRosa would be. You're mixing up predictors for future results and actual results. Going forward Gonzalez would obviously be the best bet, but that's just not what happened. I understand what you're trying to say, but saying that Hamilton isn't top 10 in the AL is foolish. It's not that he is a good story because he used to be a crackhead or whatever, it's that he was a damn good player this year.

Not one game at Arlington....but a bunch at GAB which was the 7th best hitters park in 2007. Home 2007- 312/.372/.617 Road 2007- .274/.365/.497 Seriously. If Josh Hamtiton played for the Angels this year he'd probably be an .850 OPS guy Arlington turned Milton Bradley into a 1.000 OPS guy this season. It turned Malron Byrdi nto an .842 OPS guy. So yeah, when you consider that a .901 OPS isn't even that special to begin with, I don't think Hamilton should be anywhere near the top of the MVP voting. He used to do drugs and stuff though....so let's just give it to him. :shock: Yeah, a .901 OPS is nothing special. Just an easy top 20-25 player in the league. And 16th best this year. Nothing special though.

What are the refs gonna do in the second half to hand a win to the Cowboys?

Touchdown Cardinals!!

Nah, doesn't he usually start that on Tuesdays?

I guess there must not be very many "good" teams in college football if Missouri "isn't very good." well there's texas and florida, i guess maybe oklahoma and penn state too. four very good teams and everyone else sucks. Until Mizzou stomps Texas next week.

This game is ugly!

That should be a fumble.

Arizona returns the opening kickoff for a TD! WOW

Joba looks high as hell.

good stop there

Looks like I'm a loser. Not a big deal for me though. I was just going to sell them to friend of mine that told me he would give me double what I paid if I signed up (I'm a Cardinals fan). Good luck to you all, and sorry if you weren't selected.

nothing

I haven't gotten anything. I'm pretty sure they send you an email even if you haven't been selected.

Oh wow, he was wide open. Good break for LSU.

Media whores.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Answer-Man-Ryan-Dempster-talks-dogs-newspapers?urn=mlb,108809

Quit complaining about your lineup, we're starting Aaron [expletive] Miles in left field.

He's gonna rape something good tonight