Sammy Sofa
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This is some...interesting math.
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So don't go to the games. The hell kind of response is this? Where I was saying that you or I could or should do anything? WE don't do anything; the players try by calling it out, trying to renegotiate, and, if all else fails, going on strike. -
"Good value for a team" right now is hugely hinged on shorting players via their decreasing share of the game's profits. Yeah, we are talking about millionaires vs. billionaires, but it's also still employees vs. owners, too. The flashy, appealing explanation is that this all because teams simply want to be able to spend for the FA bonanza next year, but ultimately that's just window dressing for a larger disparity that's been getting worse and festering for over a decade now. It would be one thing if this was an evolving system of spending that also reflected things like more teams actually spending money across the board instead of dumping quite so much into a relative few, or things like ticket prices holding steady or maybe even decreasing or being discounted, but none of this is happening. The bottom line is that this shift simply reflects the teams being able to pocket more money while generally paying players less (and charging us more).
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It's only a matter of time before we get someone saying something, like, "yes, but just look at how little they spent for all of that WAR. JUST LOOK AT IT. Surely it's the right thing to do because it's so smart. Now, please excuse me while I go buy some more jacked up tickets."
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"Man, these guys really ngotiated a bad deal. Welp, owners 4 life it is, then."
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That's how they win.
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Never side with management.
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Well, one of the problems is that some of these teams are technically just in a perpetual "rebuild" because of how little they spend. I'm just not sure why adding more incentives to not spending via draft picks/pool would change anything in that regard, especially since this is almost always a choice not to spend as opposed to an actual financial limitation.
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Wouldn't that just be more incentive to tank/spend less?
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Contact Year Jake was...fine. This does not seem like a sound theory.
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I mean, he supposedly signed all of Lester, Heyward, Zobrist and Lackey without having the biggest offer on the market so that might be why he thinks he can do it again. (That's assuming he is offering a significantly smaller offer than competitors.) I'm not saying that it's the wrong approach; I'm just fed up with this garbage offseason.
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I mean, there's a not a time where they could pull that where they WOULDN'T take hell.
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The current agreement goes through 2021. And I think you're underestimating the players realizing how much they've given up over the last decade+, and the corner they've boxed themselves into. They're not going to just shrug their shoulders and figure that's that because Bryce Harper made more money than god. By 2021, all of this season's offseason will be forgotten by most. I'll bet that you'll see teams spend in advance of the next negotiation. A stoppage could easily occur before 2021; most analysis right now has been pointing out how the relationship between the union and owners is horrendous, and has been for a while (this offeseason is really more of capper), so the general consensus is that there are going to have to be some pretty significant changes between now and 2021. Simply spending more for a couple offseasons isn't going to get the union to roll over.
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Personally, I would not be surprised to see a labor stoppage at some point between now and then. The who thing is hugely, hugely in favor of the teams/owners, and the players have little leverage outside of going on strike.
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When are they due for a new contract? I think you overestimate single offseason impacts. The current agreement goes through 2021. And I think you're underestimating the players realizing how much they've given up over the last decade+, and the corner they've boxed themselves into. They're not going to just shrug their shoulders and figure that's that because Bryce Harper made more money than god.
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We'll just have to disagree, Tim. The crux of this is the MLBPA realizing how badly veteran players are relatively screwed now. Granted, a good part of them is them screwing over younger players with their previous negotiations, but that's still coming home to roost and isn't going away. You're going to have enough players griping who aren't the lucky few older players still getting big deals (or signed at all).
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Yeah, but that's a boring kind of baller that I don't enjoy as much vicariously. It's also much more prone to some lame team swooping in with a deal because they're desperate/stupid enough to do so. Just to use your hypothetical, just give him the horsefeathering 4/100 instead of 4/90.
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These two things are very, very closely related. Obviously, but there's still going to be a ton of discontent next offseason. Yeah, the big names will be signed sooner and for more money, but that's not going to fix the situation, especially in regards to stuff like the decreasing players' share becoming more and more of a thing everyone is aware of, or how badly players are getting screwed by rookie deals and FA being put off for so long. This is gonna get ugly.
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Along those lines: Theo Epstein is a hero and a genius, but man, he drives me bonkers sometimes. Maybe they have put an amazing offer out there and Darvish would just prefer somewhere else ad is waiting to see if those ideal locations can compete, but part of me can't help but buy these rumors/theories of Theo and co. trying to maximize contract efficiency and see it as trying to be too horsefeathering cute. Obviously, Darvish isn't going to make or break what is a really good team, but just go all in and bolster this [expletive] starting rotation already. Be a horsefeathering baller and crush dreams, dammit.
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Why? The spending next offseason is going to be largely relegated to a relative few FA; what's getting the players mad this year aren't that guys like Jake and Darvish and Cobb are still out there; it's that dozens of others are weirdly still hanging around without a home, too. A handful of guys getting monster contracts isn't going to do much to alleviate that if next offseason there's still a huge number of normally signed guys aren't being signed. It's pretty silly at this point to think that isn't going to come to a head pretty soon. Harper and Machado and (maybe) Kersahw and co. making bank isn't going to help much.
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Man, look at Tim posting with David's account.
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OH MY GOD; IT'S BOURJOS! (You must be another Handsome Boy Graduate)
Sammy Sofa replied to David's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
I got it wrong and had to fix it, but well done, sir. -
OH MY GOD; IT'S BOURJOS! (You must be another Handsome Boy Graduate)
Sammy Sofa replied to David's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
Petition to change thread title to, "You likea da Bourjos?" or "Look at This Face (OH MY GOD; IT'S BOURJOS!)"
