Sammy Sofa

I think it's less an issue of people being "down" on him and more seeing the reality of the benefits of selling (relatively) high on a reliever.

If we are emptying the farm, meaning Vitters and Castro getting traded, Hendry might as well include Jackson, Carpenter or Cashner and try to get Verlander involved. Pass. Verlander is decent, but he's not worth emptying the farm over. He's been a 3-4 win player his whole career and put up an 8.2 WAR this year. I still wouldn't empty the farm for him.

If we are emptying the farm, meaning Vitters and Castro getting traded, Hendry might as well include Jackson, Carpenter or Cashner and try to get Verlander involved. Pass. Verlander is decent, but he's not worth emptying the farm over.

There's no way Castro should be moved for him, but I wouldn't mind sending Vitters.

The sensible route would have been to have gone with "Marlon Turd."

It would be rather stupid and worrisome to be able to conclude otherwise.

This wasn't the NFC championship game for a team with one last chance to win it all. The 2009 season was virtually over before they even kicked off last night. What is there to forgive him for? The city isn't going to eat him alive and spit him out. People say that's what happened with Grossman but his problem was he wasn't particularly good. He had a handful of quality games on his resume, but nothing else. He didn't leave big drives on his own, and he was actually on this team the last time they had a quality offensive line. Cutler moved the offense all by himself last night. His jackass offensive coordinator decided to run two doomed to fail dive plays and a freaking play action pass when the defense knew they had to pass and yet they had no receivers on the field. Why was Kellen Davis featured so prominently last night and why was Olsen on the sideline on goal line? Sure the last pass was also bad, but again, every play during that drive he was scrambling for his life and/or dealing with his teammates drawing penalties that kept negating gains. He got knocked around all game but stayed on his feet and in the game. I hardly doubt the venom of the city is going to destroy him. If they ever put a decent team around him, they'll be good and he will flourish. Cutler has job security. Lovie and Angelo have some, but not nearly as much as Jay. They will be spat out long before Cutler is. I'm with you on the analysis, but I just don't have faith in this city to understand all that. Screw "the city." What are they going to do about it?

I think that's a tad too generous an appraisal of Orton's ability to lead a TD drive with an OL like this and sans a rushing option. Just because he wouldn't have thrown some of those picks (not sure why the receivers wouldn't be falling or taking bad routes with Orton, but whatever) doesn't mean he would have actually scored. So he takes the sacks...and? Are they even getting close enough for enough FG's with Orton?

The GB game I'll give you, but how the [expletive] does Orton win this game?

TAKE THE SHOT.

Pretty much. He had Olsen open the second to last play and overthrew him. The game should have been over with a Bears win. You're reaching, Troll. Olsen wasn't open. A good throw there wins the game. He was open enough. Franchise QBs make that play. I am not a troll and you know it. Sometimes the truth hurts What's the truth?

Cutler's got the Harden day/night split going.

Pretty much. He had Olsen open the second to last play and overthrew him. The game should have been over with a Bears win. You have an odd idea of "open."

Pretty much.

right. i agree. think of my prediction as pujols lite. one season of pujols like numbers minus about 30-40 points of OBP and maybe a tad on slugging. One season. I think that is attainable. A "tad" less slugging? Look at their numbers to this point. What makes you think Votto's going to surge in slugging to or near Pujols' typical performances? This comparison makes no sense. A 30-40 point difference in OBP and Votto actually slugging like he does doesn't make him anything like Pujols or "Pujols lite."

That happens all the time. Besides, the Roberts deal was killed by the shittiness of Angelos. It's not like those were two deals that we can look at as Hendry screwed up.

Agreed. Granderson would be a very nice addition, but if he can be had it should be with players along the lines of Theriot, Marshall, Gorz and Marmol and not Castro or Vitters.

I think you're drastically undervaluing Pujols. Votto definitely has talent, but you're setting the ceiling waaaaaaay too high for him.

I think most people would be VERY surprised if he put together similar or better numbers to Pujols for any kind of extended period of time.

Whut. there was something in MLBtraderumors yesterday with that quote from Jocketty about Votto other than that, i don't know what you are confused about Whether or not comparing Votto to Pujols was a joke.

Theriot is a hole. He's not the gaping hole on the other side of 2nd, but he's a hole.

Whut.

"Blow him out?" I get what you're saying, but what a weird way to say it.

Or where they completely missed Rose's obvious goaltending. Oh, wait, he's on the Bulls. It's laughable if you're suggesting the officiating in this game was even or if you're suggesting that NBA officiating isn't shady as all hell. It was generally a crappily called game. I'm sure the Bobcats weren't happy about Kirk getting to go to the line for getting fouled while dribbling. To assert that the bad calls were lopsided against the Bulls just doesn't seem very sound when you break it down. Both sides got shafted by bad calls.

Or where they completely missed Rose's obvious goaltending. Oh, wait, he's on the Bulls.