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I agree. He can miss The Masters and not worry too much about slowing down his pursuit of the all time record. He'll have many more shots at Augusta. But the US Open and British are at Pebble and St. Andrews, where he has dominated. He won't get another crack at either until 2015.
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Pelton also said it was important that the Bulls got viable rotation players in Flip and Warrick rather than pure expirings like Elson and K. Thomas. I'm skeptical on Flip because he has sucked badly this year and intrigued by Warrick. Plus we STILL have Hinrich instead of pure expirings which was part of the calculus (the biggest part considering the Bulls record since Kirk was inserted in the startign lineup) about how this team could fall off a cliff if we moved everyone for cap space.
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Boston isn't even in the top 3. Atlanta's better.
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That sounds like it was written by someone who got caught cheating on his high school girlfriend. I don't buy it.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4924836 Looks like the Tmac deal is finally done as a 3 way.
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I don't think anyone outside of Chicago would've called the NFC championship game a classic. It wasn't that competitive save for a stretch in the 3rd quarter and Rex was pretty awful. I'm probably short changing the Seattle game a bit. That was a good one. But the games I was talking about were utter insanity. The MNF game is still one of the most unbelievable things I've ever seen in sports. Edit: Coming back to win from a 20 point half time deficit without scoring an offensive touchdown plus Denny's classic meltdown. For a regular season game, it had it all.
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Then maybe you need to expand your sports watching, because that's pathetic. They lost in the first round against an aging team that lost in the 2nd round. All in all a mediocre result, at best. There's nothing pathetic about it. I'll have more vivid images from that series 20 years from now than I will from anything the Bears did in the playoffs in 2006 save Hester's KO return. That's absolutely ridiculous. You aren't a Bears fan then if you will have more vivid images of a first round playoff loss to a fading team than of a top seeded Bears team going to the Super Bowl. Oh ok I'm not a Bears fan. Glad we got that straightend out. Honestly, my most vivid memories from the Bears the last decade weren't from the 2006 playoffs. They were the Monday Night game against Arizona and the back to back weeks Brown took pick 6s to the house in overtime in 01. Sometimes the magnitude of the game isn't everything.
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Then maybe you need to expand your sports watching, because that's pathetic. They lost in the first round against an aging team that lost in the 2nd round. All in all a mediocre result, at best. There's nothing pathetic about it. I'll have more vivid images from that series 20 years from now than I will from anything the Bears did in the playoffs in 2006 save Hester's KO return.
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I think so as well but, could that be another max FA? Wade and Bosh for example? Unless Hinrich is dealt there's not gonna be room for 2 max FAs. There might not even be room if we do deal him. Besides, we're looking at a bench of Alexander, Warrick, Pargo, Johnson, Flip "Ronald" Murray, and Acie Law. None of those guys are viable rotation players on a good team except maybe Warrick and most of them won't be back anyway. We're probably losing Miller too. If the Bulls are fortunate enough to get 1 stud they'll need to find a few solid rotation guys. The draft would be key.
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The difference is that there is much more detail about Tiger's "daliances" is out than there was with Kobe though. The number of women, the possible porn star pregnancies, and other lurid details that have come out are going to have an affect. It's not that it's worse...it's just that there more stuff out there...it just doesn't seem to end. Wait till people start yelling stuff at him on the course. Tiger's gonna lose his cool for sure. The Kobe Bryant police report on Smoking Gun is always a good read if yoo want more detail.
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Those Pacers and Bucks teams best players were what, Reggie Miller and Sidney Moncrief? Very good Hall of Fame players but Wade is a true superstar. Of course the ascendancy of Lebron could just render what everyone else does moot. But yeah, I'd feel comfortable going forward.
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my logic is perfectly sound. If the Bulls played like crap the rest of the way, which is what would happen if they lost Kirk, fish, and tyrus for nothing, Noah and rose would look a lot worse as franchise building blocks. Talent doesn't exist in some vacuum separate from a team's record. This is ridiculously shortsighted. If you threw records out the window a core of Brook Lopez and Devin Harris would be a reasonable equivalent to Noah and Rose. It helps the Bulls that the Nets are historically awful. That edge would be diminished if the Bulls went in the tank the rest of the way. You guys say that a free agent would look at Rose and Noah and say, "Hey, those are pretty good pieces" while I fear that a free agent would look at them and at least think, "How good are they really if they needed average players like Hinrich, Tyrus Thomas, and Salmons to be competitive?"
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my logic is perfectly sound. If the Bulls played like crap the rest of the way, which is what would happen if they lost Kirk, fish, and tyrus for nothing, Noah and rose would look a lot worse as franchise building blocks. Talent doesn't exist in some vacuum separate from a team's record.
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Hossa screwed up pretty bad against the Czech Republic
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Yes, I don't think it would look very good to free agents if the Bulls started playing like one of the 5 or so worst teams in the NBA for the rest of the year. The fact is is that Bosh, Wade, James, JJ, etc. can all stay home for more money on teams that are already better. Or Wade can tell one of the others to head on down to South Beach instead of taking a risk on Rose and Noah being players you can win a title with. Chicago's a great city and a great market but you want as many positives on your side as possible. After all, New York's a great market too. I'm not saying I wouldn't clear more cap room. I would. I would just be very wary of making deals where you get absolutely nothing in return and could result in a quick plummet to the bottom of the Eastern conference. Rose/Hunter Pargo/Brown Deng/Johnson Gibson/K. Thomas Noah/Miller That's one of the worst teams in the NBA.
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salmons/tyrus/hinrich are not the difference between a playoff berth and tanking. When Salmons and Hinrich TRULY sucked at the beginning of the year and Tyrus was hurt this was legitimately one of the worst teams in the NBA. Basically Johnson, Pargo, Brown, et. al. are going to give you early Kirk/Salmons level of suck and if you have no Tyrus either you're looking at a really bad product. Probably better than that early season funk because Rose is rocking but still awful.
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You're looking at a bad team with them. I think this is a 45 win team as currently constructed. The schedule is pretty soft from here on out. It's not THAT bad a team.
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You're separating the quality of the supporting cast from the team's record which doesn't make any sense. The record is a reflection of the talent, unless you think Vinny is working miracles here.
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If you could evaporate Salmons, Hinrich, and Thomas you're looking at a pretty bad team man. Not because those guys are so great but you'd be giving those minutes to some combination of Jannero Pargo, James Johnson, Devin Brown, and Chris Richard. It would be ugly.
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And what I'm saying is it's ridiculous to act like the same thing is going to happen now. FA's aren't going to suddenly tun on the Bulls because Salmons and Hinirch (hopefully) and Tyrus are gone. If you totally gut the team and get no viable player in return to pick up some of the slack, even only as a half year rental, you could easily see the Bulls slump into 10th place or worse and end the season on a prolonged down stretch. It wouldn't look good. That's why I was all go for a trade involving Allen, TMac, or even someone like Redick. The ideal scenario is to clear enough room to sign two max guys (or at least one max guy and another good player) while still remaining in this group with Toronto, Miami, and Charlotte in the standings. I'm not saying we should hold onto Hinrich just to stay there but it would be a good selling point RELATIVE to the dreck that is the Nets and Knicks.
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Nice D on that possession.
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The Bulls are the 6th seed currently and only 3 games out of 5th. But they're only a 1.5 out of 9th too. The range is smaller than you're making it out to be.
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What I'm saying is that we lost out on two superstar free agents to a team that would've been totally forgotten by everyone if its starting center hadn't become the first athlete in a major American pro sport to publicly out himself as a homosexual.
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The last time the Bulls went into a big free agent market they had just come off a dreadful year in Brand and Artest's rookie year and they came away with like Eddie Robinson when Hill and TMac were on the market. They both went to an Orlando team that STARTED Tariq Abdul Wahad, John Amaechi, Chucky Atkins, Darrell Armstrong, and a young Ben Wallace. That team scrapped its way to a .500 record and just missed the playoffs while the Bulls went 17-65. Now Krause probably poisoned the well so badly that no one worth a damn would've wanted to come here but we didn't even stand a chance against Orlando. Competitiveness matters.
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You have to show a product that is competitive and showing potential while still having the money to go after a big name. The Knicks might strike it rich but they're taking a giant gamble on their 2010 plan. The Bulls could strike out too but I think they're dealing from a position of relative strength compared to the Knicks (or the Nets for that matter). When you don't the hometown pricing power or the NY brand you've gotta differentiate yourself in other ways. The Clippers, for example, have money and seemingly have talent, but they don't win ever. It's a losing culture that just permeates everything around them. The Bulls would do well to avoid it and the best way is to just win.