MeatampPotatoesMan

Because you're being antagonistic and rubbing your opinions in everyone's faces. Disagreement is fine. Constantly harping on it and attacking other posters for believing otherwise isn't. I'm sorry. How many posters have responded to my statements? Constantly rubbing it in? I thought there wasn't anything to rub in? I disagree on Cedeno. I make a comment. Am I not allowed to do that? I wasn't aware of any ban on ragging on poorly performing players. Substitute "Neifi" for "Cedeno" in my posts and all I'd get is praise on this board. You know it's true.

errors by Cedeno and LEE = 2 runs for the Cards. Let's cut the Bums. Both of em. (Convenient to only single out Ronny). Lee's error put the runner in scoring position. Cedeno's error wouldn't have led to a run, and possibly wouldn't have led to Zambrano losing it. winners don't make excuses. You're enjoying riling them up... Don't deny it. :wink: True. They just need to take the blinders off for a second and be a little objective. :lol: If that is true, then I suggest you stop. B/C I disagree with the groupthink opinion on this board? Ah...the groupthink line. I love it when some idiot (not aimed at anyone in particular) uses that one. Don't be an ass. Attack the argument, not the poster, Vance. :roll:

Nice 1-2-3 inning, Williamson. :)

errors by Cedeno and LEE = 2 runs for the Cards. Let's cut the Bums. Both of em. (Convenient to only single out Ronny). I'm sorry. Has Lee proven that he's an elite defense 1B over the years? Ronny hasn't. Lee's errors are a fluke. Cedeno's are not. true, but his ERROR certainly also led to the 2 runs. We aren't talking about which one is a better defensive player. You singled out one error in that inning and said that led to 2 runs. That's disingenious. BOTH errors led to the two runs. In fact if Lee doesn't make the error, Cedeno's doesn't lead to a run, and the hit doesn't score rolen from 1st. It doesn't matter. Ronny choked with a man in scoring position. He sucks. A possible error yesterday (that scorer is on crack) and 2 today? Awesome D. And I guess Lee choked to put the runner there. Yes. he did. He still didn't give up a run in doing so.

errors by Cedeno and LEE = 2 runs for the Cards. Let's cut the Bums. Both of em. (Convenient to only single out Ronny). Lee's error put the runner in scoring position. Cedeno's error wouldn't have led to a run, and possibly wouldn't have led to Zambrano losing it. winners don't make excuses. You're enjoying riling them up... Don't deny it. :wink: True. They just need to take the blinders off for a second and be a little objective. :lol: If that is true, then I suggest you stop. B/C I disagree with the groupthink opinion on this board?

errors by Cedeno and LEE = 2 runs for the Cards. Let's cut the Bums. Both of em. (Convenient to only single out Ronny). Lee's error put the runner in scoring position. Cedeno's error wouldn't have led to a run, and possibly wouldn't have led to Zambrano losing it. winners don't make excuses. What the hell kind of comment is that? Are you calling me a loser? It's a good thing most professional baseball players don't have your attitude. WTF is my attitude? My attitude has been to give blame where it is due, to both player. Your attitude is to excuse the veteran because he's shown he's a good defensive player. And yours is to defend the historically sub-par offensive player with overrated glove skills. Don't get so riled up.

We all knew he was and is flat out bad, unfortunately, Hendry missed the Memo. Seriously. who was the scout who recommended Jones? He should be fired.

errors by Cedeno and LEE = 2 runs for the Cards. Let's cut the Bums. Both of em. (Convenient to only single out Ronny). I'm sorry. Has Lee proven that he's an elite defense 1B over the years? Ronny hasn't. Lee's errors are a fluke. Cedeno's are not. true, but his ERROR certainly also led to the 2 runs. We aren't talking about which one is a better defensive player. You singled out one error in that inning and said that led to 2 runs. That's disingenious. BOTH errors led to the two runs. In fact if Lee doesn't make the error, Cedeno's doesn't lead to a run, and the hit doesn't score rolen from 1st. It doesn't matter. Ronny choked with a man in scoring position. He sucks. A possible error yesterday (that scorer is on crack) and 2 today? Awesome D.

Just one time, Jones. One fricking time I'd like to see you hit a fastball on the inner half.

errors by Cedeno and LEE = 2 runs for the Cards. Let's cut the Bums. Both of em. (Convenient to only single out Ronny). Lee's error put the runner in scoring position. Cedeno's error wouldn't have led to a run, and possibly wouldn't have led to Zambrano losing it. winners don't make excuses. What the hell kind of comment is that? Are you calling me a loser? It's a good thing most professional baseball players don't have your attitude.

errors by Cedeno and LEE = 2 runs for the Cards. Let's cut the Bums. Both of em. (Convenient to only single out Ronny). Lee's error put the runner in scoring position. Cedeno's error wouldn't have led to a run, and possibly wouldn't have led to Zambrano losing it. winners don't make excuses. You're enjoying riling them up... Don't deny it. :wink: True. They just need to take the blinders off for a second and be a little objective. :lol:

errors by Cedeno and LEE = 2 runs for the Cards. Let's cut the Bums. Both of em. (Convenient to only single out Ronny). I'm sorry. Has Lee proven that he's an elite defense 1B over the years? Ronny hasn't. Lee's errors are a fluke. Cedeno's are not. If you're going to do that, can we acknowledge that Cedeno's error is a result of a bad call(albeit one forced by a poor throw)? It wasn't a bad call. I wish it was.

errors by Cedeno and LEE = 2 runs for the Cards. Let's cut the Bums. Both of em. (Convenient to only single out Ronny). Lee's error put the runner in scoring position. Cedeno's error wouldn't have led to a run, and possibly wouldn't have led to Zambrano losing it. winners don't make excuses.

Z should be pissed.

errors by Cedeno and LEE = 2 runs for the Cards. Let's cut the Bums. Both of em. (Convenient to only single out Ronny). I'm sorry. Has Lee proven that he's an elite defense 1B over the years? Ronny hasn't. Lee's errors are a fluke. Cedeno's are not.

error by Cedeno = 2 runs for Cards. Defense matters.

omg. bring ohman in plz. dang it. Z was cruisin' too. :(

Do you drive a hybrid, out of curiosity? no

Just like Lee was awesome for dropping that ball and letting Edmonds take third, right? yup, and i ripped Lee too. :wink:

:roll: You seem happy he screwed up. That's cool. It's not like some ppl didn't foresee this. Stick your head in the sand. It doesn't make me happy to be right. :wink:

Cedeno rocks!

Nice way to atone for his mistake. :D how many errors is he going to have at the end of the season (assuming full time duty)? I'd guess 35. I'd be more, but the Wrigley scorer is generous (should have had 1 or 2 yesterday). Why are you so critical of Cedeno? And where is this one or two errors he should have had yesterday? You are referring to his double clutches...your logic doesn't make sense. Wrigley grass slows down the ball, so if it was outside of Wrigley, the ball would have come to him faster and he would have had MORE time to throw, not less. Ronnie is going to be a very good defensive shortstop. He already has one of the best ranges of EVERY shortstop in the majors. He also has a cannon for an arm. he's a rookie...allow his tools to develop. I would say he'll have much less than 35 errors this year. Did you even watch the game? Cedeno did great at the plate and piss poor in the field. That's fine, but his label for a long time was a "glove only man." I expect more from our "slick fielding shortstop." OMG, "one of the best ranges of EVERY shortstop in the majors?" Get real. I did watch the game. And you're jumping on him for TWO double clutches early in the game...both on throws he had a fair amount of time on to complete. Did you watch the game? If so, you have seen the very nice double play that he and Neifi completed. Without Cedeno's arm, the double play is NOT turned. You would have also seen him range WAY out into leftfield on a pop up. And you would have seen him make a half dozen chances (after the first two double clutches) that he handled very smoothly. Even Neifi, who presumeably would want to start at SS everyday, has praise for Cedeno's defense and defensive potential. Stop hatin' on Ronnie just for the sake of it! yup. that's it. i couldn't possibly have an different opinion than yours.

Nice way to atone for his mistake. :D how many errors is he going to have at the end of the season (assuming full time duty)? I'd guess 35. I'd be more, but the Wrigley scorer is generous (should have had 1 or 2 yesterday). Why are you so critical of Cedeno? And where is this one or two errors he should have had yesterday? You are referring to his double clutches...your logic doesn't make sense. Wrigley grass slows down the ball, so if it was outside of Wrigley, the ball would have come to him faster and he would have had MORE time to throw, not less. Ronnie is going to be a very good defensive shortstop. He already has one of the best ranges of EVERY shortstop in the majors. He also has a cannon for an arm. he's a rookie...allow his tools to develop. I would say he'll have much less than 35 errors this year. Did you even watch the game? Cedeno did great at the plate and piss poor in the field. That's fine, but his label for a long time was a "glove only man." I expect more from our "slick fielding shortstop." OMG, "one of the best ranges of EVERY shortstop in the majors?" Get real. I agree with him. Cedeno is up there in range, simply by the fact he has long legs and is one of the youngest SS in the league. I'd say only Furcal is clearly above Cedeno in terms of pure range. Show me that data after a full season of playing SS. come on, Lee. fricking ridiculous.

Z has nice movement today.

I would also like to point out that those two double clutches occurred when he had plenty of time to make a play and was getting a better grip on the ball so as to not screw it up. Double clutching is fine in that situation. When it comes to faster guys on the basepaths, though, I'd hope he avoids taking that approach. He also threw the ball away after double clutching. It's baffling why he wasn't charged with an error.