CardsFanInChiTown

I understand your "let's wait and see if he can get more" argument. I guess my question is how much more do you think Hendry could have gotten?

Let him be a backup OF. He's security if Pierre gets hurt, then if he gets hot you can spin him at the deadline. Like USS brought up, we hardly got anything for him, so it's not a huge deal if that deal isn't there next offseason, and there's a decent likelihood it will be. Keeping Corey would have been an inhuman, not to mention a media fiasco. As a backup OF? That's really overstating it, not to mention the fact that you can't/shouldn't let media reaction determine your course of action. Yes, as a backup OFer it would have been a mess. Did you go to any of the games in the 2nd half last year when Corey played? The guy isn't just an asset, he's a human being.

Let him be a backup OF. He's security if Pierre gets hurt, then if he gets hot you can spin him at the deadline. Like USS brought up, we hardly got anything for him, so it's not a huge deal if that deal isn't there next offseason, and there's a decent likelihood it will be. Keeping Corey would have been an inhuman, not to mention a media fiasco.

I think you are way overstating the market for CPatt. He's a 3m player who put up a .215/.254/.348 last year and is .252/.293/.414 for his career. How do you know the market for him wouldn't have dried up once ST rolled around? It was time for Corey to move on with his life. I think the fact that Hendry got anything for him is a testament to his trading skills. You don't know if the market dries up, but even if it does, what did you lose? A "maybe" IF prospect that will be lucky to be a utility IF in the bigs, and yet another lefty hard thrower with erratic command? I'll take the chance that Corey shows enough to tempt a desperate GM into taking a gamble. It's risk/reward. It's low risk waiting, because it's not like we would lose out on anything notable. He's also what, 26? That's still real young. I suppose he could have gotten more, but I highly doubt it. It's time for Corey to move on with his life. 26 isn't really that young for a position player, he should in\near his prime.

Neither prospect we received is likely to be more than a backup or a bottom of the bullpen guy. What have they to be disappointed about? At this point, what were their other OF choices to go after? They gave up some servicable prospects for a 3m player who put up .215/.254/.348 last year and is .252/.293/.414 for his career. Surely they could put that money and talent to better use.

If I were an O's fan I'd be pretty mad about this deal right now...

Leverage, what leverage? As Bruce Miles stated on this forum just a few days ago Corey was not a hot name at all throughout the baseball world. Well, you've made the point for me. He had no leverage. At all. Thus, it makes more sense to gamble into creating some leverage through 1) better play at the ML level; 2) better play at AAA; or 3) need created though injury in ST or the first part of the season. Negotiating is all about leverage. Trading players without any is just stupid when you know a player has talent (e.g. Corey). If it were some clown like Macias, when you are unlikely to get anything more than you've seen over his stay with the Cubs, then the likelihood of gaining leverage is low if not non-existent. But, that isn't the case with Corey. It is bad negotiating, pure and simple. It is always easier to make comments like this after the fact. Why, pray tell, is that the case? I have been anticipating this lackluster move (as have many) since October. Hendry moved Sammy at his lowest value (and, in fact, contributed to lowering his value). Hendry is more interested in a clean clubhouse rather than addressing messes that he had his hand in manufacturing. Don't try to diminish my point by making me appear as if I am only preying on hindsight. It doesn't take a clariavoyant or baseball executive to derive the opinion that this was a trade in which Hendry would be hard pressed to get less value at a later date. I am 100% certain that Hendry at some level decided to move Patterson prior to the Convention so as not to repeat the 05 Sosa debacle. His moves regularly have a tinge of panic to them as of late. How would you have created more leverage for a 3m player who hit .215/.254/.348 last year and was the fans least favorite guy at Wrigley?

I think you are way overstating the market for CPatt. He's a 3m player who put up a .215/.254/.348 last year and is .252/.293/.414 for his career. How do you know the market for him wouldn't have dried up once ST rolled around? It was time for Corey to move on with his life. I think the fact that Hendry got anything for him is a testament to his trading skills.

I think Hendry did a good job here. What more can you expect for a 3m player who put up a .215/.254/.348 last year and is .252/.293/.414 for his career? Hendry had to trade him and everyone in MLB knew it. Patterson would have been nothing but an overpriced media fiasco in Chicago because of all the boobirds at Wrigley. One more thing, it would have been inhuman not to trade Corey, please try and remember that. Good luck CPatt!

The O's have acquired Sosa, Hawkins and Patterson in the last year. Anyone else find this funny?

What's wrong with DePodesta? Failed to win a world series in one full year? I'm not saying he should have been fired but did DePo really impress you as a GM?

Yeah, that's what I figured. Sucks. Hopefully he can get his surgery soon and be ready to go by the start of next season. Man, I got him in a keeper league. He was a lock to be kept before, but depending on how long's he's out, I may have to drop him. What are your other options?

Does anyone know the % of calls that are overturned by instant replay?

I agree. He was a good starter before Palmer came, which is why I didn't understand the announcers acting like losing Palmer was a death blow It definitely looks like losing Palmer is going to cost them...not. Kitna looks like he has been doing this all season. I like Kitna but Palmer is clearly better.

Kitna is one of the best backups in the NFL...

Palmer just got carted off...

Ack, honerable mention was not meant to be complete, heck I'm sure I missed a lot of guys pre WWII. However you're right, Randy should be on there but the Rocket is better.

My all time top 5: 1) Rocket 2) Seaver 3) Walter Johnson 4) Lefty 5) Gibson (homer pick) others of note... Maddux, Pete Alexander, Warren Span, Crristy Mathewson, Cy Young, Koufax, Pedro Martinez

Belle's VORP rank for All Position Players in MLB 91-00 91 - 43 92 - 47 93 - 15 94 - 3 95 - 2 96 - 9 97 - 55 98 - 2 99 - 26 00 - 120 To me it's just not enough.

I just ate a whole pint of Ben & Jerry's "Chubby Hubby" - I think I'm going to puke.

Yeah I changed that right after I read it. I don't get the steamboat reference.

is there where texas begins their comeback? Hah, very cute. Don't you guys forget anything?

You know I'll stop proposing Dunn trades but I refuse to put away the drugs.

That's the ball game folks

Brady = Madden's new Farve