Blueheart05

As much as people here have been drooling over Marshall, his numbers have not been all that good this season. He's handled himself well, all things considered, but I don't think he's proven much more than any other pitching prospect in this system. I mean, for heaven's sake, his ERA is 4.92 with an away ERA of 6.53! That's just dreadful. I don't think drooling is the word. No one projected him as a number one starter. He made a huge jump from the low Minors and he's held his own. hill made a bigger jump last year, struggled a little, and has been written off by many. The circumstances were different last year. This season, look at Marshall's first 4 starts compared to Hill's. Marshall gave up 4/4/2/0 ERs while Hill surrendered 5/5/3/7 ERs. It's no wonder he was sent down. Like I said before, I think Hill will get another chance but he certainly didn't take advantage of his opportunities. Marshall has been inconsistent but that's to be expected. Unlike Hill, he's shown some dominance on this level; In 8 of his 15 starts he's given up 2 or fewer runs. that's not true. marshall gave up as many runs in his first start as hill did in his first three extended outings combined. hill followed up 4 1/3 hitless innings of relief with two starts of two runs allowed each. i'm certainly not arguing that hill's been better than marshall, but hill has shown flashes of success. his overall numbers in '05 were hurt by two horrible outings. Like I said, the situation last year was different. This season, they brought a rookie North. Hill didn't impress out of Spring Training but when he got his opportunity this year he didn't out perform Marshall... I'm not saying Marshall has the best stuff but he's been able to limit the bad outings as well as the idea that he's overmatched. I'm not arguing against Hill as much as I am arguing for Marshall. Again, no one projected him as a number one starter but in more than half of his starts he has given the team the opportunity to win. For my part, they need to allow Marshall, Guzman, Marmol, and Hill to all pitch (along with Zambrano and Prior). The Cubs should trade Maddux and develop the young arms in the rotation and bullpen.

As a whole, Ram doesn't hustle. I don't know how that can be disputed.

As much as people here have been drooling over Marshall, his numbers have not been all that good this season. He's handled himself well, all things considered, but I don't think he's proven much more than any other pitching prospect in this system. I mean, for heaven's sake, his ERA is 4.92 with an away ERA of 6.53! That's just dreadful. I don't think drooling is the word. No one projected him as a number one starter. He made a huge jump from the low Minors and he's held his own. hill made a bigger jump last year, struggled a little, and has been written off by many. The circumstances were different last year. This season, look at Marshall's first 4 starts compared to Hill's. Marshall gave up 4/4/2/0 ERs while Hill surrendered 5/5/3/7 ERs. It's no wonder he was sent down. Like I said before, I think Hill will get another chance but he certainly didn't take advantage of his opportunities. Marshall has been inconsistent but that's to be expected. Unlike Hill, he's shown some dominance on this level; In 8 of his 15 starts he's given up 2 or fewer runs.

At least Marmol and Marshal has shown some sort of talent and poise. Hill has no poise, walked the world, and just was flat out awful with a 9 ERA. era of 5 = talent and poise era of 9 = flat out awful got it. It's not cut and dry but there's no denying that Hill hasn't been able to translate his MiL dominance into anything productive on the ML level. I'm sure he'll get another chance but he'll have to show more "poise" to stay with the team. He doesn't appear to trust his stuff and or is just wild against ML hitters because he's walked too many batters. WTH? That ball was the OF'ers. :twisted:

How many pitches is Marshall at Fred? 94

No, he's saying that the players are ultimately responsible for their own actions. The manager can only do so much (he certainly can not hit, pitch, or field for them). He did mention that it's the manager's responsibility to get them prepared...

In other news, the Cardinals are on the cusp of being swept in back to back series. I'm listening to KTRS on MLB Audio and in the midst of giving up the go ahead runs, Rooney mentioned that the Cubs are down 5-0 to the Twins (he didn't offer any other scores). LOL

I agree that Dusty should go but you tell me how these same guys will be better with another manager? The players are fundamentally flawed (and so is the organizational model because they continue to chase guys that aren't good baseball players).

As much as people here have been drooling over Marshall, his numbers have not been all that good this season. He's handled himself well, all things considered, but I don't think he's proven much more than any other pitching prospect in this system. I mean, for heaven's sake, his ERA is 4.92 with an away ERA of 6.53! That's just dreadful. I don't think drooling is the word. No one projected him as a number one starter. He made a huge jump from the low Minors and he's held his own.

Marshall's ERA doesn't deserve this punishment and Radke should have given up at least 2 runs by now.

WTF$%^*3867????

Good throw but with our luck it gets away.

DLee with a hit

That ball shouldn't have been dropped to begin with. ya think? he still didn't need to cut it. don't know if it would have got him or not, but there was no need to cut it. He tried to throw out the runner going to second base but his throw was offline. I'm not going to get more upset with Perez when a routine play was botched to start the trouble. I don't fault Perez on this play...Murton is a Major League LF'er making a routine play. My dog could've played that clean. That is Ramirez's call on the cut. He has to tell Neifi "cut or not cut" since Neifi has his backed turned on the play. Blame Ramirez if Neifi cuts the ball. Good point.

That ball shouldn't have been dropped to begin with. ya think? he still didn't need to cut it. don't know if it would have got him or not, but there was no need to cut it. He tried to throw out the runner going to second base but his throw was offline. I'm not going to get more upset with Perez when a routine play was botched to start the trouble.

Disgusting!

That ball shouldn't have been dropped to begin with.

Murton's fielding really irrates me.

Over the last 11 games (2-9).......... CUBS are scoring 3.82 runs per game compared to 4.34 last year CUBS are drving in 16.8% of their runners on base compared to 18.4% last year CUBS are scoring 0.344 runs per baserunner compared to 0.365 last year I didn't know the stats ut I knew it was bad.

Over there somewhere... LMAO Nah, we're bad right where we are. :wink:

A timely hit would be nice.

A Murton infield special :lol:

Sarcasm? Time to change your sig. :P Done. :D

Sarcasm?

Hey, don't shoot the messenger -- I'm just repeating what was printed in a family newspaper :) I don't think Fred was referring to you...