It's irrelevent just because you didn't bring it up before? That doesn't make sense to me. Ryan is as good as Wagner, and younger. Unfortunately for your scenario, Ryan was a free agent this year, not next year. Why does he need 1 more year? His peripherals are outstanding and they did not take a hit after moving to closer. He blows away hitters, keeps them off base and doesn't give up runs. He did it as a set-up man and as a closer. He doesn't have to prove anything. Dempster got the job done, but he was not dominant, often teetering on the edge because he walks more and lets more guys on base, without being able to dominate with the strikeout. He relies on his defense, and is far less proven than BY Ryan is. BJ can dominate on his own. He's better. agree to disagree....cause this could go on all day long..... I never maintained that Ryan wasn't a quality closer or that his stuff wasn't excellent. It is irrelevAnt that you brought Wagner into the discussion - comparing a guy who's been closing for one year to somebody of Wagner's stature. Wagner's #'s this year were considerably better than Ryan's, and he has 284 career saves compared to Ryan's whopping 42.