I never said he shouldn't stick around, I said I hate seeing guys hang around too long. I never felt that way until Jordan came back after his second retirement. He went out on top after hitting the winning short for the 6th and last title. I can't think of another superstar who has ever had such a picturesque ending. It was the most beautiful way someone who transcended the game like Jordan did could wrap up his career. It was the only appropriate ending to such a stellar career. It was disappointing when he came back with another team and was unable to even come close to recapturing that. That doesn't mean that I didn't think he should come back, just that I hated seeing him come back unable to recapture the glory we expected from him. Fans have every right to hate seeing their heros sucking when they get old. Who here enjoyed watching Sandberg put up an OPS+ of 83 while failing to get to so many balls in the field that he used to make easily? That's also not to say I would have hated not getting another year of Ryno at the same time. Hating seeing someone hang around too long isn't the same as criticizing the player for playing as long as he's able. Let's not confuse the two. It seems to me that it comes from a fan's belief that they somehow own the player's legacy, that the player owes them something. I hate that attitude. If Jordan wanted to come back today to be the 12th man on the Bobcats, that'd be fine with me. You're not getting it. There wasn't any criticism of the player. Players develop a legacy with the fans. As a fan, it sucks to watch a guy you hold very highly put in a neifi-esque performance. I hated watching Sandberg suck in 97. I never said any players owed us anything, just that it sucked to watch the good ones look like Macias or Neifi when they're old. Or maybe you do get it, and you enjoyed watching Ryno stink in 97, I don't know.You can still enjoy it. They only thing that I didn't like about MJ coming back the second time is that it was with the wrong team. You know the NBA enjoyed it.