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It's entirely on Q. How the hell are we being outshot by these guys with all of the scorers that we have?

lol, get the [expletive] out of here Q. You come out of the locker room and there's still zero intensity from our guys. The Preds' [expletive] trap style has more shots on net than we do so far in the period.

Yeah, I don't want that crap to be the only thing I'm forced to care about.

This isn't Niemi's fault. The effort that we've given for the better part of two games has been an embarrassment.

This series is going seven. What a [expletive] joke.

I expected mediocrity this year, not total failure. If you're going to be brutal, go all out. If the end result this season means that the Piniella/Hendry regime comes to an end, this year is worth it.

Failure isn't disappointing when you expect it.

Does anyone in Cleveland actually disagree with Noah? That city is a hole.

1. Because if you are just a scorer you are a SG. The PG's main objective is to create opportunities for his team which tends to lead to assists. Not sure I understand why someone would argue that assists aren't important to PG's. 2. Being an All-Star means squat in the NBA because it is done by fan votes. McGrady nearly made the All-Star team this year when he was healthy but not playing. McGrady likely would have if the media didn't make a huge fuss causing a influx of votes to push him out. Plus try reading what I write. Rose is a top 6-10 PG in the league but to me the top 5 are quite a bit above the rest making everyone not in the top 5 a pretty far way from being in the top 5. Not sure how many more times I have to say this. Yes, I can read. That's exactly why I said it was moronic and insane to say that Rose isn't a top five point guard. It's even more moronic to say that the "top 5 are quite a bit above the rest" when you don't even include Rose in your top five. I never said that assists weren't important to determine who's a good point guard and who's not. I did say that it shouldn't be the only criteria to decide who's a great point guard and who's not.

I can't believe you're using assists to determine who's a good passer and who's not. If you've actually seen Rose play, you'd realize that he's a great passer. It doesn't help matters when you have teammates who constantly blow wide open jump shots to hinder your assist total. And Devin Harris doesn't have the same problem? The Bulls are a playoff team, albeit a bad one, but the Nets were one of the worst teams ever. Are you really trying to argue Rose had a relatively low assist total solely because of his supporting cast when others on worse teams had higher assists totals? Yes. Rose had to average close to 20 shots down the stretch to get us into the playoffs. The assist numbers will rise when he gets support around him. Well no [expletive] Sherlock. That does nothing to explain why he has lower assists than guys on much worse teams. You can try to explain it by him having to shoot more down the stretch but if you looked it up (as I just did) you will find that isn't true. He indeed shot more at the end of the season with 18.8 attempts in April but take a wild guess at what month he averaged the most assists. April. In fact his two highest monthly averages where in the final two months of the season. He shot more than his season average in the last month and shot less than season average in the second to last month. Considering that he averaged the most assists in those two months it's pretty easy to see his assists, at least this season, weren't tied to how many shots he was taking. I don't understand what the correlation is between being a great point guard and having a high assist total, but obviously you do. To say Rose isn't even close to a top five guard when he made the [expletive] All-Star Game in his SECOND YEAR is borderline insane.

Joakim Noah is awesome. Not one of my finer moments when I ridiculed that draft selection, although 95% of Bulls fans hated that pick. He's the man.

I can't believe you're using assists to determine who's a good passer and who's not. If you've actually seen Rose play, you'd realize that he's a great passer. It doesn't help matters when you have teammates who constantly blow wide open jump shots to hinder your assist total. And Devin Harris doesn't have the same problem? The Bulls are a playoff team, albeit a bad one, but the Nets were one of the worst teams ever. Are you really trying to argue Rose had a relatively low assist total solely because of his supporting cast when others on worse teams had higher assists totals? Yes. Rose had to average close to 20 shots down the stretch to get us into the playoffs. The assist numbers will rise when he gets support around him.

1. Paul 2. Nash 3. Deron 4. Rondo 5. Kidd I could see Curry rising into the top five next season, Collison is intriguing with his 19 pts 9 assists as a starter this year in replace of Paul, Rose has already been mentioned and Westbrook could develop further and join the conversation. Keep 'em coming. These are quite humorous. I really wish Rose had teammates like KG, Pierce, or Allen to make his job a lot easier. I'd settle for Dirk and Caron Butler. Amare and J-Rich really aren't bad options either. How Rose isn't in your top five is absolutely ridiculous and diminishes your NBA credibility; not like it needs to take another hit. Rose isn't that close to the top 5. If you think he is then you must be going off reputation alone. As I posted in the other thread where Rose was discussed you can't blame everything on his supporting cast. Devin Harris averaged more assists this year. So did Paul who doesn't have much of a supporting cast (and Collison when he was a starter). Rose has the ability to be towards the top in assists but he isn't there yet. He's a good scorer but not that far above a a bunch of other PG's who averaged a good amount more in assists while still scoring 16+. Rose is in the 5-10 group but the top five, especially top 3 are pretty far above the rest in my opinion. Why are you only using assists to determine who is a good point guard and who's not?

What I am trying to say is Rose is by far the best athlete ever to play the point guard spot. His assists are down because he plays on a bad team with a bunch of lousy jump shooters. I'm a Deron Williams mark and were I running the Jazz I would trade Deron Williams and my top pick for Rose. Considering where the Jazz could be picking, that's madness. You'd trade Deron Williams and a shot at Evan Turner/John Wall for Rose???? I'd have to see where the pick landed. If it's not one of those two, yes I would. This draft looks to be 2 deep to me. That is still crazy. Deron is a better passer, can shoot from anywhere as well as drive pretty well. Right now Deron is better. I would take him over Rose in a trade. Rose may turn out better but at the worst with Deron you are getting 18-10. Rose may never reach that level. Rose would certainly have more assists with a better cast (his scoring may go down) but 6 assists is still bad. Paul got 10.7 this year with crap around him except for West. Baron Davis also managed 8 assists with the Clippers. Heck even Devin Harris averaged 6.6. I can't believe you're using assists to determine who's a good passer and who's not. If you've actually seen Rose play, you'd realize that he's a great passer. It doesn't help matters when you have teammates who constantly blow wide open jump shots to hinder your assist total.

1. Paul 2. Nash 3. Deron 4. Rondo 5. Kidd I could see Curry rising into the top five next season, Collison is intriguing with his 19 pts 9 assists as a starter this year in replace of Paul, Rose has already been mentioned and Westbrook could develop further and join the conversation. Keep 'em coming. These are quite humorous. I really wish Rose had teammates like KG, Pierce, or Allen to make his job a lot easier. I'd settle for Dirk and Caron Butler. Amare and J-Rich really aren't bad options either. How Rose isn't in your top five is absolutely ridiculous and diminishes your NBA credibility; not like it needs to take another hit.

How are we short-changing a team that everyone has already basically crowned the champs because of one guy? Really? Everyone's crowned the Lakers already. Yeah. Unfortunately, I don't see anybody beating the Lakers.

How are we short-changing a team that everyone has already basically crowned the champs because of one guy? Well after last year, absolutely nobody should be saying the Cavs are a lock to win the championship. I wouldn't be shocked at all if they lost to Orlando again, but the Cavs are still an extremely good team. People shouldn't really be taking anything away from Cleveland for this game, but rather giving credit to the Bulls. We played a near flawless game on offense today for a team that lacks obvious scoring punches. I know they struggled with an 8 seed for the majority of the game, but not every 1-8 series is a cakewalk. I think we surprised Cleveland with the type of effort we gave tonight. Then LeBron just showed why he is the best player in the world down the stretch.

I think a lot of people are short-changing the Cavs.

I think we'll win a game in this series. The Cavs shot lights out in this game and yet they had to wait until the final few minutes to put us away. You would think that Moon won't be hitting 3's and LeBron won't be shooting 65% from the field for the rest of this series.

That James guy is all right.

I can't wait until Rose has some shooters to surround him.

When Luol Deng is actually aggressive, he can be a pretty good player. We need more Flip instead of Hinrich.

Yeah I mean I could be wrong, but to me the effort and intensity looked night and day from Game 1 for a lot of the team, which makes me wonder why in the hell it wasn't there on Friday night. They wouldn't be the first higher seed to be caught flat footed against a lower seed that happens to be playing pretty good hockey. Let's just hope the Hawks now realize it will take a full effort to beat this club. They need to overcome some style/matchup difficulties here, but I think last night showed they can do that. The biggest matchup difficulty isn't really matching up against any specific player but obviously Nashville's horrible style of play. It's very apparent how they had an even goal differential on the season this year. The Hawks are much more talented than Nashville. They just have to continue to play like they did yesterday and everything will take care of itself.

Well we already knew he was stupid. I've seen the tweets as well, and it doesn't look good. He'll get drafted but he's an idiot if he actually hires an agent this year.