Are you saying it did not matter when Rowand threw well to third? If so you ought to think the same thing about chiken-wing Jacque. yeah, i'm saying it didn't matter. lee wasn't going no matter what. jones being terrible doesn't have anything to do with it. You completely ignored my point in order to further your own. if jones would have lolly gagged on the play and the guy would have tagged, yes, i would have been all over him. what's your point? oh, is it ok if i criticize jones for misjudging that fly ball by roughly 30 feet? I just don't get 1. how you can say a ball about 10 feet from the warning track in right center 'isn't that deep' 2. how you can say Lee definitely wouldn't have gone in light of 1 and the fact that Lee went back to the bag to tag 3. why Len and Bob commenting about it gets you so fired up. it doesn't get me fired up, and i know lee wouldn't go because he, well, didn't go. and i really doubt it was because roward got all shifty and in throwing position. but if you think lee would have risked making the third out of the inning at third on a medium deep fly ball to center, go nuts. "medium depth" that's kind of humorous. fudging the facts doesn't help your position on this. what also is humorous is saying it doesn't get you fired up, when it's pretty clear from your initial post on the matter and the follow up Eckstein reference post that it got you fired up. but whatever.