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    Adbert Alzolay is on Twitter, Pleading for the Life of His Country. It's Your Job to Listen.


    Matthew Trueblood
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    What do we owe to each other? Sometimes, we're helpless to change the big, bad things of the world, but when we take as much from a place as baseball fans have taken from Venezuela, part of what we owe in return is our attention and our effort.

    There is an unfortunate tendency, in the United States, to think about much of the rest of the world as less cultured or civilized. That assumption is racist and xenophobic, and it's also objectively wrong. To wit: don't assume, merely because nothing material is being done about it, that there's massive ambiguity or confusion about what happened in Venezuela's recent national elections. On Jul. 28, millions of voters went to the polls in that nation, and its robust computerized voting tabulation system yielded reasonably clear results. President Nicolas Maduro lost, according to the best data that has made it out into the international public sphere, by a wide margin. Opposition challenger Edmundo González Urrutia won, and should be president right now.

    Instead, Gonzalez and his party are under a new investigation, instigated by Maduro's top prosecutor. The government has upended the will of the Venezuelan people and declared Maduro the winner, wielding fake or manipulated election results as a cudgel. Mass protests are underway, but the government is powerful and ruthless, and the international community (whether stretched too thin by the ongoing conflicts in Ukraine and the Middle East, or unwilling to engage in any infringement on national sovereignty, even in what seems like an egregious breach of that privilege) has not mustered any meaningful intervention.

    At what must be the most difficult moment of his young life, Cubs reliever Adbert Alzolay is speaking up. In a series of tweets over the last several days, he's drawing attention back to this issue over and over, even as he braces for career-threatening Tommy John surgery. 

    Please notice that the above is in English. Alzolay tweeted and retweeted multiple things about the election and the ensuing unrest in the days before that post, but on Monday, he turned his message toward his English-speaking followers. Nor was it only that one post.

    We know, of course, that athletes are not politicians, and that many of them carry deeply confused or flawed political opinions. Like the rest of us, they are prone to statements that might be too strong, or self-interested. What Alzolay is trying to tell his (predominantly) American followers, though, is worth hearing and passing on, not as an endorsement of González or of any particular political ideology, but because it boils down to a simple truth: wrong was done here. This isn't right, and attention needs to be paid. The wrong won't be righted unless and until the world tunes in.

    The Carter Center issued a strong statement about the elections, back on Jul. 30. Do not, under any circumstances, take Alzolay's word for what happened, but do know that the international diplomatic and human rights advocacy community backs him up on it.

    We can not change the outcome of the Venezuelan elections. Paradoxically, though, it is our duty as baseball fans to try. It is our duty, as fans of Alzolay and Willson Contreras, of Luis Arráez and Ronald Acuña Jr., of Johan Santana and Dave Concepcion, to repay what we have gotten from Venezuela, by caring about the people who still live there (or who are fleeing, sometimes for their lives) in the same way we have chosen to care about the few who have come into our lives through this channel of entertainment. Call or email your Congressional representative. Talk to others about this developing crisis. And keep listening, to Alzolay and others who speak up about it.


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    Sammy Sofa

    Posted (edited)

    So does ANY of the anti-Maduro sentiment register to you? The protests? The other Latin American countries saying he stole the election and should step down? The Venezuelan Leftist groups denouncing him?

    Of course not. It's all the result of American corruption and influence to you. None of the evidence about Maduro's sloppy efforts to steal the election and the suppress the opposition matters to you because you can just handwave it away is American lies or whatever the horsefeathers. You are, to be blunt, straight up delusional at this point, and all you're doing is arguing against phantoms saying things that nobody here actually is.

    Bottom line, Maduro is a corrupt strongman who stole the election, and the vast majority of the Venezuelan people obviously want him out and voted for the opposition.

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    Sammy Sofa

    Posted (edited)

    Again, they want Maduro gone, and they overwhelmingly voted to send him packing, and now they're the ones literally fighting against his blatant theft of the election.

    You have no argument against any that, so you just keep squealing in circles and deludedly telling yourself you're the only one that's actually on their side and that Maduro staying in power is good actually.

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    Sammy Sofa

    Posted (edited)

    THE VENEZUELEAN PEOPLE VOTED MADURO OUT. The right thing to do, as this thread started with, is to lend our individual support to the people bravely resisting against his efforts to steal the election and crack down on dissenters.

    Nobody here has argued for US intervention, or wanting the sanctions to continue. Just horsefeathers stop arguing against NOTHING.

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    Sammy Sofa

    Posted

    I haven't "backed" anyone except the horsefeathers will of the people being oppressed you disingenuous, intellectually bankrupt toad.

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    Sammy Sofa

    Posted (edited)

    Like, you horsefeathers care more about the Tankie college protestors getting their 'gram karma than the ACTUAL Venezuelans ACTUALLY fighting and suffering against Maduro's corruption, which is horsefeathers WILD that you can do with a straight face.

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    Sammy Sofa

    Posted (edited)

    6 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

    The only thing you know about the will of the people is what the NYT told you to think about this election (and 2019’s). 

    So you're just back to saying the results showing Maduro lost are fake.

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    Sammy Sofa

    Posted (edited)

    (Please recall that Tom himself bizarrely threw down The Nation as a trump card, the same Nation that has said that Maduro stole the election, but also repeatedly dismisses any media outlet saying Maduro lost as being controlled by US propoganda)

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    Sammy Sofa

    Posted (edited)

    You're still arguing against horsefeathers nobody is saying here.

    You're still arguing against the will of the Venezuelan people.

    Just off in your own little world, wildly JAQing off all over yourself:

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions

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    imb

    Posted

    i know i never take my own advice here, but there's no reason to argue with tom about this. this is like those videos of a guy catching a fish and showing it a youtube video.

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    imb

    Posted

    You’ve already been thrown back into the water, brother. Now you can go tell the other bottom feeders about your brief glimpse of a higher dimension. 

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    Tank

    Posted

    4 hours ago, TomtheBombadil said:

    The only thing you know about the will of the people is what the NYT told you to think about this election (and 2019’s). Note how you’re not so interested in their will to be able to exist without having to cater to US and European corporate desires 

    I have mentioned more than once in this thread that I have three very good friends in Venezuela right now. What you are reading about the election being fraudulent is 100% true. Maduro didn't just lose the election, he was crushed, and then implemented an operation to arrest people in their own homes and charge them as terrorists for simply opposing the election results. This is the account that each friend has given me. To be blunt, your posts in this thread are sickening to read. My friends are suffering and are afraid of being imprisoned for simply questioning a clearly fraudulent election and for wanting to be free of the tyrant that's oppressing them.

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    Sammy Sofa

    Posted

    1 hour ago, imb said:

    i know i never take my own advice here, but there's no reason to argue with tom about this. this is like those videos of a guy catching a fish and showing it a youtube video.

    I think he comes in here and his eyes just roll back into his head, everything sounds like the trombone parent voices in the Peanuts cartoons, and all he sees is this on loop:

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    Sammy Sofa

    Posted

    1 hour ago, TomtheBombadil said:

    Another reason not to argue: you don’t care!

    But Tom cares SO. DAMN. MUCH. That he....wants them to remain under the thumb of a totalitarian dipshit brutally cracking down on his own people for daring to *checks notes* vote against him for running the country into the ground.

     

    Sammy Sofa

    Posted (edited)

    12 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

    I appreciate your bluntness! It doesn’t change how I feel. I, too, am sickened but by how western countries and liberals view most everyone else. The people being sick of Meduro does not = a desire to have western countries privatize their nation, put them into a poverty Europeans deem OK

    TOM, THEY horsefeathers VOTED FOR THE OPPOSITION.

    Like, that's what the people there overwhelmingly voted for. That doesn't make it the ideal choice in a vacuum compared to any number of other hypothetical possibilities, but  given the available choices IT'S WHAT THEY CLEARLY horsefeathers WANT RIGHT NOW INSTEAD OF MADURO.

    I know you'll just patronizingly dismiss it as all of those voters as just being brainwashed or CIA crisis actors or who the horsefeathers knows what, but the reality is that Maduro IS SO horsefeathers AWFUL that the vast majority of the voters there cast their vote for the people running against him.

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    Sammy Sofa

    Posted (edited)

    6 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

    My guy, once again, even other parties that lost the election are skeptical of the “winner’s” claims based on the “winners’” own website. 70% with no losses anywhere on a website with zero ties to the Venezuelan election council launched almost the day of by a far right party deeply funded by Western oil and governments and avowed to fight any loss result ain’t it. Leeeeeeaaaaave theeeeeem aloooooooone 

    Nope, there's zero horsefeathers evidence for this, and you 100000000000% will not find any, and posting yet another video of someone throwing a tantrum on Breakthrough News isn't evidence no matter how badly you want it to be. Your argument against them winning is little more than, "I don't like it, therefore I don't accept it."

    Even his closest regional allies are calling Maduro out on his horsefeathers. The election observers, including the ones MADURO horsefeathers INVITED, are saying he stole it.

    horsefeathers, if you think the opposition results were faked, why are so many people in the streets in support of their win, and why is Maduro cracking down so hard and suppressing all the voting data?

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    Sammy Sofa

    Posted

    1 minute ago, TomtheBombadil said:

    Good! It’s infinitely more their business than US, the west, or US/western oil! 

    And they want Maduro to step down and concede, so we're done here, right?

    Transmogrified Tiger

    Posted

    I think we're really close to a breakthrough here fellas, just a couple more pages should do it

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    Sammy Sofa

    Posted

    Dipshit, who are you talking to? Nobody is calling for American or European intervention. Brazil, Colombia and Mexico are all telling him to release the election results. Other South and Central American countries are offering him sanctuary if he steps down. AGAIN, HIS OWN PEOPLE WANT HIM GONE.

    Sammy Sofa

    Posted

    4 minutes ago, Transmogrified Tiger said:

    I think we're really close to a breakthrough here fellas, just a couple more pages should do it

    Y'know, you could just lock the thread.

    Tank

    Posted

    24 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

    I appreciate your bluntness! It doesn’t change how I feel. I, too, am sickened but by how western countries and liberals view most everyone else. The people being sick of Meduro does not = a desire to have western countries privatize their nation, put them into a poverty Europeans deem OK

    Also, just given the casual boomerish confidence using “girls” over “women” when referring to adult strangers as common speech, I feel safe assuming these things:

    - Your friends have more money than most Venezuelans. Note they don’t fear hunger or economic hardship like many there…but prison over their politics

    - They lean hard right 

    I have tried to remain civil here in spite of your buffoonish takes, but it's getting difficult. My friends don't fear hunger because I have sent them money for food. They have had their water shut off. Electricity shut off. People dragged from their buildings after being snitched on for opposing the election results. One has had her pay withheld since the election and doesn't know if she will receive it at all. 

    None of what you said has a single thing to do with the fact that these people VOTED MADURO OUT AND ARE BEING FORCED AGAINST THEIR WILL TO ACCEPT A FRAUDULENT ELECTION! You dense stooge! 

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    Sammy Sofa

    Posted (edited)

    12 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

    everyone wants this hard right puppet regime

    Yet again you dismiss the will of the people there.

    Oh, and from your own horsefeathers link:

    Quote

    In a joint statement last week, the three countries called on Venezuela’s electoral body to release tens of thousands of vote tally sheets, considered the ultimate proof of results.

    “The fundamental principle of popular sovereignty must be respected through impartial verification of the results,” President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva of Brazil, President Gustavo Petro of Colombia and President Andrés Manuel López Obrador of Mexico said in their statement.

    That almost about 2 weeks ago. Maduro still hasn't released the voting info.

    That they're not openly supporting him as in the post screams volumes. Open your horsefeathers eyes.

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    Sammy Sofa

    Posted

    2 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

    Yeah no, just believe with confidence that privatizing everything and calling for sanctions on themselves is not the actual will of the people. I didn’t miss that quote, just an “impartial verification of the results” also isn’t some CIA website launched more or less immediately after polls closed 

    So, yet again, just some variation of, "they're too dumb to know what they were voting for." So altruistic and noble.

    And that quote is from the three countries that you put out there as "proof" that Maduro has any real support. That's their diplomatic way of saying, "Maduro, it's a real horsefeathered up look that you're putting down the boot on your own people and still refusing to release any official election records. Might want to get on that if you can, and if you can't you gotta figure where you can soft land."

     

    Sammy Sofa

    Posted (edited)

    Blah-blah-tankie-dee-blah.

    Still just making up horsefeathers to argue against.

    Only one of us is actually behind the will of the people here: they want Maduro gone. Pretty much their only option right now is to thread of the needle of enough of Venezuela's regional neighbors leaning on Maduro to abide by the election results since his control of the military is so absolute.

    If they end up wanting to give the next folks the boot as well then they should do so, be it by the ballot or the bullet.

    TL; DR version: if you weren't such a tankie dork you'd actually be on the side of the people and not a corrupt strongman. NEVER SIDE WITH MANAGEMENT.

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    Sammy Sofa

    Posted

    Like, for real, this is as simple as I can think to break it down for you:

    Maduro is bad for Venezuela. 

    The vast majority of Venezuelans want him out.

    This is not necessarily a specific endorsement by ANYBODY of the policies you disagree with of the seemingly winning opposition party.

    What it speaks to is how the situation there is so desperate that the people essentially want anyone else but Maduro.

    That's it. It really is as basic as the people wanting Maduro gone, and the ballot is basically their only way to express or execute that since his control of the military is so absolute. Maduro knows this, which is why he is refusing the release the official voting data to anyone, ally or otherwise, and why he is cracking down so hard on anyone daring to show public opposition or protest to his "victory."

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    Sammy Sofa

    Posted

    Tom, you have serious problems. Please get help before you die alone.




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