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    Yeah, the logical reason was Dusty Baker freaking abused the crap out of him, the Cubs misdiagnosed him and let him pitch through injuries, make them worse, and creating new ones. agreed! what i'm saying is that his effort/workout regimen/whatever was a contributor to that as well. denying that just blows my mind. do you have any basis for that argument whatsoever? what has made you question his effort? please inform us, and don't just say "he always seemed like a prima donna to me"
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    That is a really stupid thing to say. I mean incredibly ignorant. Pitchers can't commit themselves to not get hurt, or get back from injuries. hahaha, no it's not. you're essentially saying that effort in recovering from an injury means nothing. THAT's the stupid thing to say. you don't really believe that, now do you? umm. he's not the one that said it had nothing to do with it. YOU are the one that implied it was the ONLY thing that mattered, which is just dumb. we all understood what you meant and now you're trying to spin your way out of it because of how ridiculous it was. if that's what you inferred then you need to read slower. stop acting like we're misunderstanding you. we're not. you very clearly stated that if he had been committed he wouldn't have been injured for 5 years.
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    That is a really stupid thing to say. I mean incredibly ignorant. Pitchers can't commit themselves to not get hurt, or get back from injuries. hahaha, no it's not. you're essentially saying that effort in recovering from an injury means nothing. THAT's the stupid thing to say. you don't really believe that, now do you? What you seem to be ignoring is that Mark Prior didn't have a single injury that has persisted for five years. not ignoring that at all. so why, then, does he have so many injuries? just because? or is there perhaps a more logical reason? what are your thoughts, i'm curious. because he was mean to the media sometimes
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    That is a really stupid thing to say. I mean incredibly ignorant. Pitchers can't commit themselves to not get hurt, or get back from injuries. hahaha, no it's not. you're essentially saying that effort in recovering from an injury means nothing. THAT's the stupid thing to say. you don't really believe that, now do you? umm. he's not the one that said it had nothing to do with it. YOU are the one that implied it was the ONLY thing that mattered, which is just dumb. we all understood what you meant and now you're trying to spin your way out of it because of how ridiculous it was.
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    actually, it's been frequently suggested that determination and will to live (or whatever you want to refer to it as) are significant factors in fighting cancer. i'm not too fond of your comparison. determination can delay it/help fight it. it doesn't cure it.
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    In the case of pitching-related arm problems, never. You question his physical ability to get healthy, but there's no reason to question the commitment. really? no reason? why's that? do you think he's unaware of what's at stake? this is not his hobby. he's not just a fan. this is this guy's career. millions and million of dollars, not to mention fame and much more, are at stake right now. you really think he's not commited to that? give me a break. no, i don't. i think if he were actually committed he wouldn't have been hurt for the last FIVE YEARS. are you actually believing what you're saying? so any time a player is injured for 5 years, it's lack of commitment? it has nothing to do with the injuries? please make it stop read slower. i'm not saying it has nothing to do with injuries. suggesting so in and of itself is fundamentally ridiculous. of course the injuries are a factor. a two year old would know that. AT THE SAME TIME... i'm saying that his effort is a factor as well. that's all. make sense? no, i completely understood what you said. right there, you obviously imply that the injuries wouldn't have been a factor if had commitment to getting better. don't even try to spin that. the quote is right there
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    man, if only sandy koufax knew all he had to do was try harder
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    In the case of pitching-related arm problems, never. You question his physical ability to get healthy, but there's no reason to question the commitment. really? no reason? why's that? do you think he's unaware of what's at stake? this is not his hobby. he's not just a fan. this is this guy's career. millions and million of dollars, not to mention fame and much more, are at stake right now. you really think he's not commited to that? give me a break. no, i don't. i think if he were actually committed he wouldn't have been hurt for the last FIVE YEARS. are you actually believing what you're saying? so any time a player is injured for 5 years, it's lack of commitment? it has nothing to do with the injuries? please make it stop
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    what a stupid thing to say. umm no. i think we all understand who is saying the stupid things in this thread. i see. this must be the "group think" that i've been told by others is northsidebaseball's biggest downfall. if by "group think" you mean "a bunch of people with common sense", then yes.
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    In the case of pitching-related arm problems, never. You question his physical ability to get healthy, but there's no reason to question the commitment. really? no reason? why's that? do you think he's unaware of what's at stake? this is not his hobby. he's not just a fan. this is this guy's career. millions and million of dollars, not to mention fame and much more, are at stake right now. you really think he's not commited to that? give me a break.
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    what a stupid thing to say. umm no. i think we all understand who is saying the stupid things in this thread.
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    He just had surgery last year. There have been multiple problems found with Prior's arm since he was exposed to Dusty. nah dude, he just needs to work out more. if only he knew how much money and fame was at stake. somebody should really tell him. maybe i'll write him an e-mail or something to let him know what he could be if he just worked out
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    no, of course he's not. no one is suggesting anything in that ridiculous scenario. i think the notion that he's spending "hours upon hours" working out is equally as absurd, though. knowing the mark prior that we all got to know in his brief time in the cubs organization, i cant see the guy busting his ass to get back. dont you think that he'd be back and healthy by now if he had tried busting his ass in the past? it's a pretty fundamental approach. to getting healthy, that is. We aren't talking about a guy with weight issues who needs to get on the treadmill. We're talking about a guy who withstood serious abuse by a horrible manager and who sustained very serious arm injuries in the process. You can't just decide to bounce back from those things with extra effort. On top of that, he had a shoulder injury that the Cubs never found. No matter how hard you work, it's tough to get healthy when you have something structurally wrong with your shoulder. tougher, sure. absolutely. but we're not talking about a two month period. or even a one year period. it's been years now. let me ask you this... at what point do you question his committment to getting healthy? five years of being hurt? ten? ever? at what point do you question a cancer patient's commitment to getting healthy? 5 years of being sick? 10? death?
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    no, of course he's not. no one is suggesting anything in that ridiculous scenario. i think the notion that he's spending "hours upon hours" working out is equally as absurd, though. knowing the mark prior that we all got to know in his brief time in the cubs organization, i cant see the guy busting his ass to get back. dont you think that he'd be back and healthy by now if he had tried busting his ass in the past? it's a pretty fundamental approach. to getting healthy, that is. We aren't talking about a guy with weight issues who needs to get on the treadmill. We're talking about a guy who withstood serious abuse by a horrible manager and who sustained very serious arm injuries in the process. You can't just decide to bounce back from those things with extra effort. sure you can. you either commit yourself to do something or you don't. i'm questioning his commitment. i don't doubt that he wants to be a major league pitcher for one second. i do, however, doubt his effort to do so. wow. so prior can get healthy, become a superstar, and make millions of dollars.. and the only thing standing in his way is effort? you really need to stop posting
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    Pie

    17 Seconds replied to CubsWin's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk

    the problem is that hendry is going to get nothing at all for him with the way he's handled it.
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    What stuff has been said about him being a jerk? I'm not doubting it, I'm just curious because I haven't heard anything.
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    I agree with him to the extent that I don't trust prospects the Braves trade away. More times than not (and I believe a pretty wide margin) they don't amount to anything. Horacio Ramirez, Andy Marte, Damian Moss, Ruben Quevedo, Joey Nation are all examples purely off the top of my head. They've been excellent at identifying young talent and getting rid of the young non-talent at premium prices. Andy Pratt. Excellent point. And I liked Pratt when he came over here. :oops: Jeff Francoeur
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    I don't think he's talking about guys who were prospects over a decade ago. The only guy there that is really relevant to this conversation is McCann.
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    i can't bleieve how confident i am in this team scoring goals every time i turn on a game. if they go more than like 10 minutes of gamre time without socring a goal it feels like it's a surprise. i haven't felt like this about a team since the 2003-2004 lightning
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    EDIT: Would more call it outplaying the other team severely more than "finding a way to win"... no offense intended at all. true that. this team isn't finding ways to win, they're just flat out mashing. not many cheap wins for these guys
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    lol duca
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    Um how many 6 minute power plays have you seen? especially when both people have their gloves off (no offsetting penalties)? i'm not even talking about that. every single game there are multiple posts from you complaining about the refs. it's non-stop. i like you but you don't want to sound like a whiner
  23. 17 Seconds
    you need to relax dude. enough with the refs
  24. 17 Seconds
    so he proved that he has a cousin How does that even prove he has a cousin? And how is getting a name and address and providing a distance from another location trouble? i have no idea. i just thought it was really funny how that stuff mixmastamiguel posted was supposed to make the guy's story more credible. forget the fact that giving addresses provides nothing.
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    so he proved that he has a cousin
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