pretty sure the advanced stats show him to be more than a 3-4 starter besides, judging a player based on "stuff" at this point of his career is kind of pointless. you can factor in the division he plays in and stuff, but the dude is 27. it's highly likely that he's already shown what his "stuff" does in the majors. we're not talking about a 22 year old guy who hasn't really put it together yet. garza has put it together. he is what he is at this point. anyways, i like garza. i hope w eget him.