Fred Hornkohl

Howdahell are we supposed to score any runs with the bases all clogged up like that ???

Wow !! Two hits in the same inning !! Go CUBS !!

TOP OF THE FIFTH INNING Encarnacion struck out (called) Easley struck out swinging Castillo walked Treanor flied out to right field 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 1 men left on base 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E Florida 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 CUBS 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 Home runs: CUBS: Lee ( 38 ) pitcher IP H R ER BB K HR PIT Zambrano 5.0 1 0 0 2 5 0 60

Ya know.... that's something I haven't been tracking, since we really didn't have any controversy about shortstop when the season began. I think I might just add it to the list, tho.

BOTTOM OF THE FOURTH INNING Walker grounded out to second, 4-3 Lee lined out to second base Burnitz flied out to the wall in right field 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 men left on base 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E Florida 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 CUBS 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 Home runs: CUBS: Lee ( 38 )

TOP OF THE FOURTH INNING Pierre flied out to left field Conine grounded an IF single to third Cabrera grounded out to second, 4-3, Conine to second Delgado flied out to left field 0 runs, 1 hits, 0 errors, 1 men left on base 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E Florida 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 CUBS 1 0 0 1 1 0 Home runs: CUBS: Lee ( 38 ) pitcher IP H R ER BB K HR PIT Zambrano 4.0 1 0 0 1 3 0 43

BOTTOM OF THE THIRD INNING Blanco grounded out to the pitcher, 1-3 Zambrano struck out swinging Hairston popped out (foul) to third base 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 men left on base 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E Florida 0 0 0 0 0 0 CUBS 1 0 0 1 1 0 Home runs: CUBS: Lee ( 38 )

TOP OF THE THIRD INNING Castillo walked Treanor grounded into a DP, 6-4-3, Castillo out at second Beckett struck out (called) 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 1 men left on base 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E Florida 0 0 0 0 0 0 CUBS 1 0 1 1 0 Home runs: CUBS: Lee ( 38 ) pitcher IP H R ER BB K HR PIT Zambrano 3.0 0 0 0 1 3 0 33

BOTTOM OF THE SECOND INNING Garciaparra popped out (foul) to the catcher Hollandsworth flied out to center field Cedeno struck out swinging 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 men left on base 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E Florida 0 0 0 0 0 CUBS 1 0 1 1 0 Home runs: CUBS: Lee ( 38 )

TOP OF THE SECOND INNING Delgado grounded out to short, 6-3 Encarnacion grounded out to short, 6-3 Easley struck out (called) 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 men left on base 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E Florida 0 0 0 0 0 CUBS 1 1 1 0 Home runs: CUBS: Lee ( 38 ) pitcher IP H R ER BB K HR PIT Zambrano 2.0 0 0 0 0 2 0 19

Can't really tell about 1-2-3 innings, because that information isn't available in the daily box score...... but CUBS are 19-12 when Derrek Lee hits at least 1 HR.... 41-56 when he doesn't Go CUBS !!

BOTTOM OF THE FIRST INNING Hairston flied out to left field Walker struck out swinging Lee homered to left field Burnitz lined out to second base 1 runs, 1 hits, 0 errors, 0 men left on base 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E Florida 0 0 0 0 CUBS 1 1 1 0 Home runs: CUBS: Lee ( 38 )

CUBS are 37-17 when they score first,.... 24-51 when they don't CUBS are 18-6 when they score in the first inning,... 43-62 when they don't Go CUBS !!

Of course it is. What was I thinking ?? :embarassed:

Not having Pierre score in the first inning levels the odds a whole lot !! What's the Cubs record when they hit the leadoff hitter to start the game? Cmon Fred, I know you have that stat! 0-1 !!

TOP OF THE FIRST INNING Pierre flied out to right field Conine flied out to right field Cabrera struck out swinging 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 men left on base 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E Florida 0 0 0 0 CUBS . 0 0 0 pitcher IP H R ER BB K HR PIT Zambrano 1.0 0 0 0 0 1 0 09

Not having Pierre score in the first inning levels the odds a whole lot !!

You will never see that happen.

I have no idea, but I'd venture to say it would be on the right field pole to even them out and because he played on the right side of the field. Just a guess, though. The #23 pennant will definitely go up the right field foul pole. Gary Matthews, Bobby Dernier, and two other former players whose names I don't recall right now will perform the ceremoneous flag raising.

Dubois will be a career minor leaguer, nothing else. Normally when people make statements as fact, they try and back that up with some sort of rationale, logic, statistics, etc. "Statistics are for losers.", M. Ditka :wink:

Worthless stats of the day..... CUBS are 12-8 on Sundays CUBS are 4-4 vs. Florida CUBS are 31-38 in the day time. CUBS are 31-34 at home. CUBS are 21-19 in games that end a series CUBS are 34-26 when they've won the previous game.... 26-42 after a loss CUBS are 4-4 when they've lost their previous 3 games CUBS are 13-28 when the temperature is in the 70's CUBS are 14-12 when Zambrano starts Zambrano is 18 of 26 in quality starts Zambrano's ERA pitching to Barrett is 3.00.... pitching to Blanco it's 3.09 CUBS score 4.42 R/G overall.... 4.31 R/G when Zambrano pitches CUBS hit 1.22 HR/G overall.... 0.89 HR/G when Zambrano pitches CUBS' offensive support of Zambrano..... 04/04 - 08/27 AB R H 2b 3b HR TB RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS CUBS w/Zambrano 914 112 255 60 6 23 396 108 61 152 0.279 0.327 0.433 0.761 CUBS overall 4463 570 1220 267 19 157 1996 545 341 730 0.273 0.328 0.447 0.775 Zambrano's last five starts..... Zambrano IP H R ER BB K HR PC BB/9 K/9 HR/9 WHIP ERA 08/22 vs. Atla 8.0 3 2 2 0 10 1 118 0.00 11.25 1.13 0.38 2.25 08/17 vs. Houst 8.3 3 2 1 3 10 0 116 3.24 10.80 0.00 0.72 1.08 08/12 vs. St. L 6.0 6 0 0 1 5 0 96 1.50 7.50 0.00 1.17 0.00 08/07 vs. Mets 3.0 4 4 2 3 2 0 80 9.00 6.00 0.00 2.33 6.00 08/02 vs. Phila 8.0 4 0 0 1 4 0 104 1.13 4.50 0.00 0.63 0.00 5 game totals 33.3 20 8 5 8 31 1 514 2.16 8.37 0.27 0.84 1.35 Zambrano's previous start vs. Florida..... Zambrano IP H R ER BB K HR PC BB/9 K/9 HR/9 WHIP ERA 07/08 vs. Flor 7.0 6 3 3 6 7 1 120 7.71 9.00 1.29 1.71 3.86 Zambrano's H/R & D/N splits..... Zambrano IP H R ER BB K HR PC BB/9 K/9 HR/9 WHIP ERA Home 84.3 58 22 21 32 73 5 1331 3.42 7.79 0.53 1.07 2.24 Road 88.0 69 41 37 37 86 8 1432 3.78 8.80 0.82 1.20 3.78 Day 75.3 55 17 16 34 67 4 1210 4.06 8.00 0.48 1.18 1.91 Nite 97.0 72 46 42 35 92 9 1553 3.25 8.54 0.84 1.10 3.90 season totals 172.3 127 63 58 69 159 13 2763 3.60 8.30 0.68 1.14 3.03 CUBS' season series vs. Florida..... Gm# Date Opponent Score Starter 62 Mon 06/13 Florida N 1- 9 Koronka 63 Tue 06/14 Florida N 14- 0 Mitre 64 Wed 06/15 Florida 5-15 Maddux 85 Fri 07/08 @ Florida N 9- 6 Zambrano 86 Sat 07/09 @ Florida N 8- 2 Wood 87 Sun 07/10 @ Florida 9- 2 Maddux 128 Fri 08/26 Florida 5- 7 Rusch 129 Sat 08/27 Florida 1- 2 Maddux 130 Sun 08/28 Florida - Zambrano CUBS' hitters vs. Florida..... CUBS AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS Murton 4 2 2 1 0 0 3 1 2 0 0.500 0.571 0.750 1.321 Lee 26 6 9 4 0 3 22 8 4 8 0.346 0.438 0.846 1.284 Burnitz 31 6 13 4 0 2 23 9 6 5 0.419 0.514 0.742 1.255 Walker 24 8 11 2 0 1 16 4 2 1 0.458 0.519 0.667 1.185 Ramirez 27 2 10 4 0 2 20 7 0 5 0.370 0.370 0.741 1.111 Greenberg 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 1.000 0.000 1.000 Lawton 3 0 1 0 0 0 1 1 2 1 0.333 0.600 0.333 0.933 Hairston 30 6 11 3 1 0 16 7 1 4 0.367 0.387 0.533 0.920 Barrett 27 7 8 2 0 1 13 7 6 2 0.296 0.429 0.481 0.910 Macias 6 1 2 1 0 0 3 1 0 0 0.333 0.333 0.500 0.833 Perez 32 4 9 3 0 0 12 3 1 4 0.281 0.294 0.375 0.669 Hollandsworth 16 3 3 2 0 0 5 1 0 4 0.188 0.188 0.313 0.500 Garciaparra 8 1 2 0 0 0 2 0 0 1 0.250 0.250 0.250 0.500 Dubois 6 0 1 1 0 0 2 0 0 2 0.167 0.167 0.333 0.500 Patterson 15 1 2 0 0 0 2 1 1 3 0.133 0.188 0.133 0.321 Cedeno 9 2 1 0 0 0 1 0 1 1 0.111 0.200 0.111 0.311 Wilson 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 CUBS 288 52 92 28 1 9 149 50 26 47 0.319 0.379 0.517 0.896 CUBS 4463 570 1220 262 20 155 1987 546 341 727 0.273 0.328 0.445 0.773 CUBS' pitchers vs. Florida..... CUBS IP H R ER BB K HR PC BB/9 K/9 HR/9 WHIP ERA Mitre 9.0 5 0 0 0 3 0 99 0.00 3.00 0.00 0.56 0.00 Dempster 2.0 1 0 0 0 3 0 34 0.00 13.50 0.00 0.50 0.00 Novoa 2.0 0 0 0 0 1 0 21 0.00 4.50 0.00 0.00 0.00 Ohman 2.0 0 0 0 0 1 0 24 0.00 4.50 0.00 0.00 0.00 Williamson 1.3 0 0 0 0 2 0 14 0.00 13.50 0.00 0.00 0.00 Wood 7.7 6 2 2 1 4 1 104 1.17 4.70 1.17 0.91 2.35 Zambrano 7.0 6 3 3 6 7 1 120 7.71 9.00 1.29 1.71 3.86 Maddux 20.7 17 9 9 3 8 1 269 1.31 3.48 0.44 0.97 3.92 Remlinger 4.0 2 3 3 1 3 1 62 2.25 6.75 2.25 0.75 6.75 Bartosh 1.0 1 1 1 1 1 1 21 9.00 9.00 9.00 2.00 9.00 Rusch 5.7 10 7 6 2 3 1 113 3.18 4.76 1.59 2.12 9.53 Koronka 4.3 7 6 6 3 1 0 83 6.23 2.08 0.00 2.31 12.46 Hill 1.0 3 2 2 0 2 0 29 0.00 18.00 0.00 3.00 18.00 Wuertz 2.3 7 5 5 3 2 1 69 11.57 7.71 3.86 4.29 19.29 Wellemeyer 1.3 3 3 3 0 1 2 20 0.00 6.75 13.50 2.25 20.25 Borowski 0.7 3 2 2 0 0 0 16 0.00 0.00 0.00 4.50 27.00 vs. Flor 72.0 71 43 42 20 42 9 1098 2.50 5.25 1.13 1.26 5.25 overall 1144.7 1083 585 552 469 1002 156 18917 3.69 7.88 1.23 1.36 4.34 Let's win this one for Ryne Sandberg. Go CUBS !!

Well.... that's a trait I value in girlfriends and center fielders, eh?

Darn you and your logic! :P I was going more on what my eyes were telling me while watching Corey in his return (although I could have sworn he had drawn more than two walks since coming back; yikes). No, I did not think that he had completely reversed himself, that'd be asking for a miracle. Instead, it seemed more to me that he was finally making progress, which was completely different from anything we had seen from him this season. However, it seems like any perceived progress I thought he was making has pretty much been flushed down the toilet. Can't wait for the same thing to happen to Felix Pie over the next few years. You're right in the sense that Corey did appear to have a different approach at the plate for a few games; taking more pitches, even if he didn't draw walks, showing better discipline, hitting down more on the ball.... but the results weren't there. He reverted back to old Corey before the results ever started to show up. I still don't know what to make of Pie. I realize he's not ready to come up and probably won't be next year either. But what worries me about him, more than anything I've read or seen about him, is an interview that Pat and Ron did with Von Joshua. Joshua couldn't contain himself with his glee and his praise of Felix..... and then he tells them that although Pie is hitting leadoff now, he's not a leadoff hitter. Where are we headed here ?

A little more eloquence and a little less hyperbole will serve you well. :D It's really not hyperbole, though. When Patterson first came back from AAA, he looked like the kind of hitter we were all told he would become. He was working counts, drawing walks, hitting the ball to all fields, and utilizing his speed effectively. In essence, it seemed like he finally might have gotten himself back on track. But, instead, since then he's falling back into his old habits. He's swinging at bad pitches, using that loopy swing too frequently, and essentially regressing. That to me speaks way more about this coaching staff than Corey Patterson. The fact that he's falling back into these bad habits despite showing some promise is just a waste, to me. This coaching staff has completely screwed him over. I almost want the Cubs to trade him somewhere else so that he can shove it in the faces of these morons. Gah, it's so frustrating knowing that good coaching could make him into at the very least an above average player. But instead, he's not getting that up in the bigs. Sure it is. Patterson AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS 08/09 - 08/09 4 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0.250 0.250 0.250 0.500 08/10 - 08/10 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 08/11 - 08/11 4 2 3 1 0 0 4 1 1 0 0.750 0.800 1.000 1.800 08/12 - 08/12 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 08/13 - 08/13 3 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0.333 0.333 0.333 0.667 08/14 - 08/14 4 2 1 0 0 1 4 2 0 0 0.250 0.250 1.000 1.250 08/15 - 08/15 3 1 1 0 1 0 3 0 1 0 0.333 0.500 1.000 1.500 08/16 - 08/16 4 0 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 2 0.250 0.250 0.250 0.500 08/17 - 08/17 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 08/19 - 08/19 5 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0.200 0.200 0.200 0.400 08/20 - 08/20 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 08/21 - 08/21 3 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0.333 0.333 0.333 0.667 08/22 - 08/22 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 08/24 - 08/24 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 3 0.000 0.250 0.000 0.250 08/09 - 08/26 51 7 10 1 1 1 16 4 3 12 0.196 0.241 0.314 0.554 You think one game of 3 for 4 with a walk means he's figured it all out and totally reversed 15 years, give or take, of bad habits ??

A little more eloquence and a little less hyperbole will serve you well. :D