Fred Hornkohl

Rolen singled to left field

No idea. Havne't been there in a long time.

TOP OF THE SECOND INNING Ramirez walked Jones grounded into a DP, 6-3, Ramirez out at second Murton grounded out to first, unassisted 0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 men left on base 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E CUBS 0 0 0 2 0 St. Louis 0 0 1 0

Jones grounded into a DP, 6-3, Ramirez out at second

Ramirez walked

BOTTOM OF THE FIRST INNING Eckstein singled to center field Luna grounded into a FC, 6-4, Eckstein out at second Pujols struck out swinging Luna thrown out trying to steal, 2-4 0 runs, 1 hits, 0 errors, 0 men left on base 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E CUBS 0 0 2 0 St. Louis 0 0 1 0 pitcher IP H R ER BB K HR PIT Marshall 1.0 1 0 0 0 1 0

Off the shortstop's glove into center field

Pujols struck out swinging

Luna grounded into a FC, 6-4, Eckstein out at second

Eckstein singled to center field

Fred, take 2 seconds to look at what I wrote, over the course of games that the Cubs began the tank, he sure as heck did suck. I acknowledged the great game on May 10, and how he's settled into a better range since then. But he did indeed suck during that string of games I mentioned. Just because you change the range of dates from what I was talking about doesn't mean I'm wrong. Goony, YOU take 2 seconds to look what you wrote. The team went into the crapper on 26 April, and they've been there ever since. I gave you the numbers showing that Jones had really done well over that stretch....... 04/26 - 05/31 AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS Jones 112 12 35 6 0 6 59 20 4 18 0.313 0.342 0.527 0.869 Then you said....... So I gave you Jones' numbers to for that time frame...... Jones AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS 04/26 - 05/13 54 4 18 3 0 3 30 9 2 10 0.333 0.357 0.556 0.913 Bottom line, Goony, Jones has been very productive when you've said he sucked. If you've got some hard data that shows I've missed something, then by all means, enlighten me, but the continued bombast & hyperbole serves only to lessen your credibility.

Then take 2 Midol, and call me in the morning !! :wink:

baker's just a fool. Big time. Or maybe Dusty knows that 2nd is the only spot where Neifi has any success.... Perez AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS batting 2nd 17 2 7 1 0 0 8 2 0 1 0.412 0.389 0.471 0.859 Naaaahhhh !!! Sweet! His OBP is lower than his BA in the 2 spot. Not many can pull that off. Sac fly to drive in a run !! The man is clutch !!

baker's just a fool. Big time. Or maybe Dusty knows that 2nd is the only spot where Neifi has any success.... Perez AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS batting 1st 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 batting 2nd 17 2 7 1 0 0 8 2 0 1 0.412 0.389 0.471 0.859 batting 4th 4 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 0.250 0.400 0.250 0.650 batting 5th 7 2 2 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 0.286 0.286 0.286 0.571 batting 6th 6 1 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0.167 0.167 0.167 0.333 batting 7th 17 1 1 1 0 0 2 0 0 4 0.059 0.059 0.118 0.176 batting 8th 33 2 6 1 1 0 9 5 2 2 0.182 0.229 0.273 0.501 batting 9th 12 1 2 0 0 0 2 0 0 1 0.167 0.167 0.167 0.333 overall 97 9 20 3 1 0 25 11 3 8 0.206 0.228 0.258 0.485 Naaaahhhh !!!

2002 Yep. 2002 World Series team W L pct PA W L St. Louis Cardinals 97 65 0.599 1 0 0 Houston Astros 84 78 0.519 0 0 0 Cincinnati Reds 78 84 0.481 0 0 0 Pittsburgh Pirates 72 89 0.447 0 0 0 Chicago Cubs 67 95 0.414 0 0 0 Milwaukee Brewers 56 106 0.346 0 0 0

Do you ask the dentist for root canal, too ? 04/03 - 05/31 AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS Perez 97 9 20 3 1 0 25 11 3 8 0.206 0.228 0.258 0.485

Fred was wrong though. And so were you. Jones sucked between late April and mid-may. He didn't pick it up until after the team was well below .500, a little bit of too little too late if you want to stop people from complaining. Jones sucking played a huge role in bringing the Cubs down. It had nothing to do with his season stats at the time. He was crap going in, and crap throughout that string of games. He started to hit in mid May, after the Cubs were toast. I don't understand everybody's desire to gloss over the weakness of this team, of which, Jones is one. No, Goony, he did not. Jones AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS 04/26 - 05/13 54 4 18 3 0 3 30 9 2 10 0.333 0.357 0.556 0.913

CUBS are 2-9 when the temperature is 75 or above. Go CUBS !! Fred, a main reason I signed up was to let you know how much I enjoy and appreciate your stats. Thanx for those kind words. And welcome to the forums !!

If my calculations are correct the Cubs are 6-15 when Neifi Starts I've got the CUBS at 5-13 when Neifi starts, and 15-19 when he doesn't.

He's doing what he can, but his presence still hurts the team overall. He sucked while the team was tanking. He's turned it on now that the team hit rock bottom. It's better than nothing, but it ain't good. And you can't just gloss over bad OBP, it's an enormous liability. No, Goony, he did not suck when the team was tanking. Over the last 5 weeks, while the CUBS have gone 8-25, Jones has put up the following line.... 04/26 - 05/31 AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS Jones 112 12 35 6 0 6 59 20 4 18 0.313 0.342 0.527 0.869 Now, if that's sucking, well he can suck on my team any day. Only Tony Womack, in his limited 17 ABs, has a higher OPS than Jones. Now, I'm not suggesting that he's at all likely to continue to produce at this level, but that is not the question on the table. Take a minute and look over these performances by the rest of the team during that period, and I'll bet you can find a whole lot players who really have sucked. 04/26 - 05/31 AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS Womack 17 2 8 1 0 0 9 1 0 1 0.471 0.471 0.529 1.000 Jones 112 12 35 6 0 6 59 20 4 18 0.313 0.342 0.527 0.869 Bynum 33 4 8 0 2 2 18 6 1 12 0.242 0.286 0.545 0.831 Ramirez 123 16 33 9 1 6 62 16 6 9 0.268 0.311 0.504 0.815 Barrett 88 9 24 3 3 2 39 6 9 9 0.273 0.350 0.443 0.793 Murton 96 15 27 4 0 2 37 7 10 14 0.281 0.358 0.385 0.743 Walker 112 12 32 7 0 1 42 14 14 12 0.286 0.359 0.375 0.734 Restovich 8 0 2 1 0 0 3 1 1 2 0.250 0.333 0.375 0.708 Cedeno 121 9 33 1 1 1 39 8 4 23 0.273 0.294 0.322 0.616 Pierre 138 14 31 5 2 0 40 2 8 12 0.225 0.272 0.290 0.562 Perez 68 6 14 1 1 0 17 8 3 4 0.206 0.236 0.250 0.486 Hairston 58 3 9 2 0 0 11 3 2 10 0.155 0.197 0.190 0.386 Mabry 43 1 5 0 0 0 5 0 6 10 0.116 0.240 0.116 0.356 Blanco 32 0 2 0 0 0 2 3 3 5 0.063 0.139 0.063 0.201 Theriot 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0.000 0.200 0.000 0.200 33 game totals 1106 106 272 43 10 20 395 99 73 155 0.246 0.297 0.357 0.654 04/26 - 05/31 IP H R ER BB K HR PC BB/9 K/9 HR/9 WHIP ERA Howry 15.7 12 4 4 2 9 2 243 1.15 5.17 1.15 0.89 2.30 Ohman 17.7 15 5 5 6 18 1 273 3.06 9.17 0.51 1.19 2.55 Eyre 17.7 13 7 6 8 24 3 309 4.08 12.23 1.53 1.19 3.06 Zambrano 46.7 31 16 16 27 52 5 780 5.21 10.03 0.96 1.24 3.09 Williamson 12.0 6 5 5 9 13 0 198 6.75 9.75 0.00 1.25 3.75 Wood 16.0 12 9 8 6 13 4 242 3.38 7.31 2.25 1.13 4.50 Dempster 13.0 12 9 8 5 15 1 199 3.46 10.38 0.69 1.31 5.54 Marshall 32.3 31 20 20 19 23 1 528 5.29 6.40 0.28 1.55 5.57 Novoa 17.7 18 15 12 14 18 4 392 7.13 9.17 2.04 1.81 6.11 Maddux 39.3 55 30 29 11 24 4 574 2.52 5.49 0.92 1.68 6.64 Aardsma 4.0 4 3 3 4 4 2 86 9.00 9.00 4.50 2.00 6.75 Guzman 18.0 20 16 14 16 20 2 378 8.00 10.00 1.00 2.00 7.00 Rusch 17.3 22 17 15 9 17 6 360 4.67 8.83 3.12 1.79 7.79 Hill 19.3 23 20 20 15 11 5 344 6.98 5.12 2.33 1.97 9.31 Wuertz 1.0 3 2 2 2 1 0 46 18.00 9.00 0.00 5.00 18.00 Ryu 2.3 8 7 7 2 2 4 55 7.71 7.71 15.43 4.29 27.00 33 game totals 290.0 285 185 174 155 264 44 5007 4.81 8.19 1.37 1.52 5.40

Do you believe everything Dusty says ?? Where did I put that deed to that bridge in Brooklyn ??

CUBS are 2-9 when the temperature is 75 or above. Go CUBS !!

Road IP H R ER BB K HR PC BB/9 K/9 HR/9 WHIP ERA Maddux (2-4) 35.3 44 25 25 10 24 4 528 2.55 6.11 1.02 1.53 6.37 Marshall (1-2) 23.0 26 23 23 16 16 3 410 6.26 6.26 1.17 1.83 9.00

Worthless stats of the day for Friday..... CUBS are 3-5 on Fridays CUBS are 4-2 vs. St. Louis CUBS are 6-6 when they've lost their last 1 game(s) in a row CUBS are 12-19 when they've lost their previous game CUBS are 9-9 in games that start a series CUBS are 2-2 in games that open a road trip CUBS are 11-12 at night CUBS are 8-18 on the road CUBS are 14-8 when they get a quality start.... 6-24 when they don't CUBS are 16-8 when they score first in the game.... 4-24 when they don't CUBS are 11-6 when they score in the first inning.... 9-26 when they don't CUBS are 14-7 when they allow fewer than 4 runs.... 5-26 when they don't CUBS are 17-8 when they outhit the opponents.... 2-20 when they get outhit.... and 1-4 when the hits are even CUBS are 3-10 in one run games.... 1-3 in two run games CUBS are 17-15 when one of Maddux, Marshall, or Zambrano start CUBS are on a pace to win 62 games this year..... compared to 79 last year CUBS are on a pace to score 629 runs this year..... compared to 703 last year CUBS are on a pace to hit 118 home runs this year..... compared to 194 last year CUBS are on a pace to draw 386 walks this year..... compared to 419 last year CUBS are on a pace to ground into 168 double plays this year..... compared to 129 last year CUBS are drving in 19.4% of their runners on base compared to 18.4% last year CUBS are scoring 0.352 runs per baserunner compared to 0.365 last year CUBS are extra base hit ratio is 29.1% compared to 35.8% last year CUBS are 6-4 when Marshall starts Marshall is 5 of 10 in quality starts Marshall's ERA pitching to Barrett is 5.03.... Marshall hasn't pitched to Blanco CUBS score 3.88 R/G overall.... 4.00 R/G when Marshall pitches CUBS hit 0.73 HR/G overall.... 0.50 HR/G when Marshall pitches CUBS' offensive support of Marshall..... 04/03 - 05/31 AB R H 2b 3b HR TB RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS CUBS w/Marshall 331 40 93 10 4 5 126 35 25 51 0.281 0.335 0.381 0.716 CUBS overall 1736 202 437 74 15 38 655 187 124 264 0.252 0.304 0.377 0.682 Marshall's previous starts (3-3)..... Marshall IP H R ER BB K HR PC BB/9 K/9 HR/9 WHIP ERA 04/09 vs. St. L 4.3 4 4 4 1 2 1 65 2.08 4.15 2.08 1.15 8.31 04/14 vs. Pitts 5.0 5 4 4 1 2 1 79 1.80 3.60 1.80 1.20 7.20 04/19 vs. L.A. 5.0 2 2 2 3 4 1 86 5.40 7.20 1.80 1.00 3.60 04/25 vs. Flor 7.0 2 0 0 2 7 0 96 2.57 9.00 0.00 0.57 0.00 05/01 vs. Pitts 7.3 4 1 1 1 5 0 90 1.23 6.14 0.00 0.68 1.23 05/06 vs. S.D. 6.0 3 1 1 3 6 0 90 4.50 9.00 0.00 1.00 1.50 05/11 vs. S.F. 3.7 9 9 9 5 2 0 88 12.27 4.91 0.00 3.82 22.09 05/17 vs. Wash 6.0 1 0 0 4 6 0 100 6.00 9.00 0.00 0.83 0.00 05/22 vs. Flor 3.3 7 7 7 4 2 1 67 10.80 5.40 2.70 3.30 18.90 05/27 vs. Atla 6.0 7 2 2 2 2 0 93 3.00 3.00 0.00 1.50 3.00 Home 30.7 18 7 7 10 22 1 444 2.93 6.46 0.29 0.91 2.05 Road 23.0 26 23 23 16 16 3 410 6.26 6.26 1.17 1.83 9.00 Day 15.7 17 11 11 11 10 0 281 6.32 5.74 0.00 1.79 6.32 Nite 38.0 27 19 19 15 28 4 573 3.55 6.63 0.95 1.11 4.50 season totals 53.7 44 30 30 26 38 4 854 4.36 6.37 0.67 1.30 5.03 CUBS' season series vs. St. Louis (4-2) ....... Gm# Date Opponent Score Starter 3 Fri 04/07 St. Louis 5- 1 Maddux 4 Sat 04/08 St. Louis 3- 2 Zambrano 5 Sun 04/09 St. Louis N 8- 4 Marshall 15 Fri 04/21 @ St. Louis N 3- 9 Williams 16 Sat 04/22 @ St. Louis 1- 4 Rusch 17 Sun 04/23 @ St. Louis 7- 3 Maddux 53 Fri 06/02 @ St. Louis N - Marshall 54 Sat 06/03 @ St. Louis N - Rusch 55 Sun 06/04 @ St. Louis - Wood 101 Thu 07/27 St. Louis N - 102 Fri 07/28 St. Louis - 103 Sat 07/29 St. Louis - 104 Sun 07/30 St. Louis - 121 Fri 08/18 St. Louis - 122 Sat 08/19 St. Louis - 123 Sun 08/20 St. Louis - 128 Fri 08/25 @ St. Louis N - 129 Sat 08/26 @ St. Louis N - 130 Sun 08/27 @ St. Louis - CUBS hitters vs. St. Louis this year..... vs. St. L AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS Lee 10 4 4 0 0 2 10 2 2 2 0.400 0.500 1.000 1.500 Cedeno 20 2 10 4 2 0 18 2 0 0 0.500 0.500 0.900 1.400 Barrett 19 4 7 1 0 3 17 10 0 1 0.368 0.368 0.895 1.263 Walker 13 0 5 0 0 0 5 3 5 1 0.385 0.556 0.385 0.940 Perez 9 1 3 1 0 0 4 0 0 0 0.333 0.333 0.444 0.778 Jones 21 3 4 0 0 2 10 4 2 8 0.190 0.261 0.476 0.737 Bynum 3 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0.333 0.333 0.333 0.667 Ramirez 21 4 4 0 0 1 7 3 3 2 0.190 0.292 0.333 0.625 Pierre 24 3 6 1 0 0 7 1 1 1 0.250 0.280 0.292 0.572 Hairston 5 2 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0.200 0.200 0.200 0.400 Mabry 6 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0.167 0.167 0.167 0.333 Murton 20 2 2 0 0 0 2 0 3 4 0.100 0.217 0.100 0.317 Blanco 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0.000 0.200 0.000 0.200 Pagan 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 Restovich 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 totals vs. St. L 92 27 50 7 2 8 85 25 17 27 0.260 0.321 0.443 0.763 season totals 1736 202 437 73 15 38 654 187 124 262 0.252 0.304 0.377 0.681 CUBS pitchers vs. St. Louis this year...... vs. St. L IP H R ER BB K HR PC BB/9 K/9 HR/9 WHIP ERA Zambrano 6.0 4 2 0 4 5 0 111 6.00 7.50 0.00 1.33 0.00 Dempster 4.0 3 2 2 1 3 0 57 2.25 6.75 0.00 1.00 4.50 Howry 3.3 1 0 0 0 4 0 50 0.00 10.80 0.00 0.30 0.00 Ohman 2.0 1 0 0 1 2 0 32 4.50 9.00 0.00 1.00 0.00 Eyre 1.7 0 0 0 1 2 0 21 5.40 10.80 0.00 0.60 0.00 Wuertz 0.7 2 0 0 0 1 0 22 0.00 13.50 0.00 3.00 0.00 Maddux 13.3 9 1 1 3 5 1 180 2.03 3.38 0.68 0.90 0.68 Novoa 3.7 3 1 1 0 2 0 46 0.00 4.91 0.00 0.82 2.45 Williamson 3.0 3 1 1 1 5 0 50 3.00 15.00 0.00 1.33 3.00 Rusch 4.7 2 3 3 4 3 0 95 7.71 5.79 0.00 1.29 5.79 Marshall 4.3 4 4 4 1 2 1 65 2.08 4.15 2.08 1.15 8.31 Aardsma 2.0 2 2 2 2 1 1 42 9.00 4.50 4.50 2.00 9.00 Willliams 3.3 8 7 7 3 1 1 76 8.10 2.70 2.70 3.30 18.90 totals vs. St. L 52.0 42 23 21 21 36 4 847 3.63 6.23 0.69 1.21 3.63 season totals 456.7 415 263 245 233 398 68 7780 4.59 7.84 1.34 1.42 4.83 CUBS' offense during the last 7 games...... 05/24 - 05/31 AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS Murton 20 4 9 3 0 1 15 2 1 0 0.450 0.478 0.750 1.228 Walker 27 8 12 1 0 1 16 5 4 0 0.444 0.516 0.593 1.109 Womack 17 2 8 1 0 0 9 1 0 1 0.471 0.471 0.529 1.000 Jones 28 5 9 2 0 2 17 9 1 3 0.321 0.345 0.607 0.952 Cedeno 22 3 7 1 0 0 8 1 2 2 0.318 0.375 0.364 0.739 Ramirez 29 3 8 2 1 0 12 4 0 1 0.276 0.300 0.414 0.714 Pierre 30 4 8 2 1 0 12 2 2 2 0.267 0.313 0.400 0.713 Bynum 11 2 2 0 0 1 5 3 0 4 0.182 0.182 0.455 0.636 Perez 19 3 5 0 1 0 7 4 0 2 0.263 0.263 0.368 0.632 Barrett 25 4 6 1 0 0 7 3 0 3 0.240 0.259 0.280 0.539 Blanco 4 0 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 1 0.250 0.250 0.250 0.500 Mabry 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0.000 0.250 0.000 0.250 Hairston 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 7 game totals 253 38 78 15 3 5 114 36 11 23 0.308 0.342 0.451 0.793 season totals 1736 202 437 73 15 38 654 187 124 262 0.252 0.304 0.377 0.681 CUBS' pitchers during the last 7 games...... 05/24 - 05/31 IP H R ER BB K HR PC BB/9 K/9 HR/9 WHIP ERA Ohman 4.7 3 0 0 2 7 0 66 3.86 13.50 0.00 1.07 0.00 Aardsma 1.7 0 0 0 1 2 0 26 5.40 10.80 0.00 0.60 0.00 Wood 6.0 5 2 1 1 4 0 85 1.50 6.00 0.00 1.00 1.50 Howry 4.3 3 1 1 1 2 0 80 2.08 4.15 0.00 0.92 2.08 Zambrano 12.7 6 4 4 9 14 1 225 6.39 9.95 0.71 1.18 2.84 Marshall 6.0 7 2 2 2 2 0 93 3.00 3.00 0.00 1.50 3.00 Eyre 4.3 5 3 2 1 5 1 77 2.08 10.38 2.08 1.38 4.15 Rusch 5.0 6 4 3 1 10 2 95 1.80 18.00 3.60 1.40 5.40 Dempster 3.3 3 3 2 2 5 0 72 5.40 13.50 0.00 1.50 5.40 Maddux 11.7 15 9 9 2 5 1 161 1.54 3.86 0.77 1.46 6.94 Novoa 3.0 4 5 5 5 5 3 87 15.00 15.00 9.00 3.00 15.00 Ryu 1.3 7 6 6 0 0 4 28 0.00 0.00 27.00 5.25 40.50 7 game totals 64.0 64 39 35 27 61 12 1095 3.80 8.58 1.69 1.42 4.92 season totals 456.7 415 263 245 233 398 68 7780 4.59 7.84 1.34 1.42 4.83 Go CUBS !!

Would anybody be surprised if I told you that the CUBS saw 3.15 P/PA tonight ?