I agree with you totally and that is the issue I have with the NCAA ban. Yes to some it is offensive, yet to others it is not. So now that the NCAA has sided with those who find it offensive, where do they draw the line? I have read alot about the Fighting Irish. Is that next? What is to stop the Irish who are offended from getting a ban on that? (I am not Irish so that may be a bad example since I really don't know how true Irish people view it) There were always be some group offended by something, but there has to be a line drawn (much like JC's little chart). The NCAA has now set a precedent and I just feel there may be a huge flood of people coming out of the woodwork to see to it that they are not offended by mascots and nicknames that have been in existance for nearly 100 years. I don't think that changing nicknames will affect (effect?) a teams performance, but if that team wants to keep what it has had it's school tradition set in, it should be allowed to. Likewise if a schools mascot/nickname is deemed offensive it should be up to them to change it, not the NCAA. Of course this is all my opinion and I could be way off base in other minds. I think it's a bad analogy whenever anyone uses Notre Dame as an example. When Notre Dame made the decision on the nickname there weren't Asians or Native Americans at the table making the decision, it was Irish Catholics. I know there were no Native Americans at the table when Illinois chose to have Chief Illiniwek as its mascot, nor were they present when Washington's football team decided to call itself "Redskins" or Atlanta or Cleveland, etc. After all there must be something to it, Stanford changed its name almost thirty years ago, and then later St. John's, Marquette, Miami (OH) and others. I think people go way, way overboard when they bring up stuff like PETA will find nicknames of animals offensive. They might if they were whipping them or treating them cruelly, but when people say PETA will then say they find animal nicknames offensive I think they're grasping for straws.