You are really selling him short when you say hes "a decent QB". I know some of us already had this discussion in another thread, but Ben is firmly planted in the group of QB's behind Manning and Brady. Brady won his three Super Bowls in more or less exactly the same way Roethlisberger won his two (playing usually very well and sometimes great while largely being carried by a great defense), which people seem to want to ignore sometimes. He's a good QB, especially compared to QB's of today however I was talking more about him compared with QB's of the past. ESPN seems to want to place him as one of the best ever based upon Super Bowl wins when he is not one of the best ever and even if he was that shouldn't be determined because of a team stat. That's more or less what my rant was Ben's getting too much love because of the great teams he has played for.