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Welcome to the board, bro! thanks, u like my terrible swing from the picture in my signature? That game they had a photographer taking pictures from the on deck circle and I hit a homer, that was the swing, kinda sad haha you're not gonna impress anyone with that swing, :wink: but if it got you a homer, way to go! :D and last thing before i drop this, to make it even better it was a go ahead and eventually game winning homer in the playoff's semi-finals against the state champs. Im clutch, the year before i hit a bottom of the 7th inning Grand Slam in the playoffs to win, i got witnesses, ask at school Uh oh, he said he was clutch.

Yes, they were on MVP but I was just listening for Lee's name and it never came. I wonder if the weather had anything to do with it? I'm sure it would feel more healthy if it was warm again. Plus the trainers told Lou he was for sure ready to go on Monday, looks like he is just refusing to rush him and keep his as his "trump card" on the bench.

Ooh, another investor.

Good question, last summarization had it upwards of $380 I believe. Well then these cobs better win. GO Z!!! Actually, it's $290... But we'll worry about that later. Lets not get ahead of ourselves just yet... Haha, oops.

so i should be expecting to see your album on the shelves any time soon, right? Three this year. Uh, seriously? Yep. Well what are they and when are they coming out?

Good question, last summarization had it upwards of $380 I believe.

so i should be expecting to see your album on the shelves any time soon, right? Three this year. Uh, seriously?

Ohman has been outstanding against left handed hitters for several years now, and this year is no different. They're 2 for 20 with a 2B and 3 BB against him going into today, that's good no matter how much you remember a bad outing. Howry's stuff isn't any different than year's past. He's not perfect, and that's why he's a situational reliever. His BABIP isn't in line with the amount of line drives he's giving up, his BAA will start coming down before too long, regardless of how angry everyone gets when he gets hit. If you aren't going to be satisfied with a combination of Howry, Cotts, and Marmol getting you through the 7th, then you're being too difficult to please. Nobody is all that great until you get to the back of the pen, that's why they're middle relievers. Even then, Cotts has been a good reliever, Marmol has dynamic stuff(much like Wuertz), and Howry has been 8th inning caliber for several previous years. Getting back to the real point, if you're that dissatisfied with that setup, is Guzman really going to make you feel better about the pen? If the Sox pen doesn't decide to suck like the Cubs one does today we lose 6-5, how would everyones tune sound then? We blow game after game and its not okay anymore. The "tune" wouldn't change at all. If we lost 6-5, it'd mainly be on the shoulders of our offense and starting pitching. Its not like it was 5-0 and the bullpen gave up all the runs, Marquis left with it tied. Wow, so you really would start complaining about the offense who scored a very winnable 5 runs and Marquis who had been our best pitcher all year? You would not be dissatisfied with the fact Howry blows another game in the 8th inning? I would complain about Marquis giving up 5 earned runs, yes. What does his pitching this year have to do with anything? We're talking about one game. If you lose 6-5 in a game where your starter gave up 5 runs, he is on the hook for a bad outing. What are you trying to argue exactly? I'm arguing the fact that Marquis' outing was an anomaly while the bullpen has been a perpetual problem that has cost us at least 10 games. I would forgive Marquis for a rough outing before I forgave Howry screwing over the team once again. But that wasn't the original argument. We weren't talking about how Marquis has pitched this year, we were talking about one game. You were saying everyone would change their stance on this move if the offense didn't come through, but thats wrong. You are arguing that: The starter gives up 5 runs in 5 IP. The bullpen gives up 1 run in 4 IP. (which, if we lost 6-5, it would have been) The offense scores 5 runs. And its the pen's fault. Don't put words into my mouth to provide adequate basis for your argument. I am NOT talking about one game, I am talking about one game after many. If the bullpen had blown ANOTHER lead, its not like I'm examining this one game arbitrarily. I have, since the beginning taken the whole season into account. I pointed out this game particularly because Howry had blown another one for the but its kinda okay because the Cubs won and he will get back on track camp. The bullpen didn't blow a lead though. It was tied 5-5. How am I putting words in your mouth? You originally said that our "tune" would have changed if the bullpen was at fault for a 6-5 loss today, and in no way would it have been on the bullpen for a loss. So a bullpen that has consistently been faltering, put in their set-up guy to hold the 8th, he blows it and thats adequate relief? No they didn't blow the lead in this particular occasion, but they didn't quite do enough to save it. I believe the Cubs pen has made a habit of that this season, if they don't take it one step further and blow it, which again has been done ad nauseam. Why should I feel confident in this bullpen? If the offense and starting pitching struggles the bullpen does not pick up the slack. The only thing they do is try not to blow too many games, and they're not good at it.

Ohman has been outstanding against left handed hitters for several years now, and this year is no different. They're 2 for 20 with a 2B and 3 BB against him going into today, that's good no matter how much you remember a bad outing. Howry's stuff isn't any different than year's past. He's not perfect, and that's why he's a situational reliever. His BABIP isn't in line with the amount of line drives he's giving up, his BAA will start coming down before too long, regardless of how angry everyone gets when he gets hit. If you aren't going to be satisfied with a combination of Howry, Cotts, and Marmol getting you through the 7th, then you're being too difficult to please. Nobody is all that great until you get to the back of the pen, that's why they're middle relievers. Even then, Cotts has been a good reliever, Marmol has dynamic stuff(much like Wuertz), and Howry has been 8th inning caliber for several previous years. Getting back to the real point, if you're that dissatisfied with that setup, is Guzman really going to make you feel better about the pen? If the Sox pen doesn't decide to suck like the Cubs one does today we lose 6-5, how would everyones tune sound then? We blow game after game and its not okay anymore. The "tune" wouldn't change at all. If we lost 6-5, it'd mainly be on the shoulders of our offense and starting pitching. Its not like it was 5-0 and the bullpen gave up all the runs, Marquis left with it tied. Wow, so you really would start complaining about the offense who scored a very winnable 5 runs and Marquis who had been our best pitcher all year? You would not be dissatisfied with the fact Howry blows another game in the 8th inning? I would complain about Marquis giving up 5 earned runs, yes. What does his pitching this year have to do with anything? We're talking about one game. If you lose 6-5 in a game where your starter gave up 5 runs, he is on the hook for a bad outing. What are you trying to argue exactly? I'm arguing the fact that Marquis' outing was an anomaly while the bullpen has been a perpetual problem that has cost us at least 10 games. I would forgive Marquis for a rough outing before I forgave Howry screwing over the team once again. But that wasn't the original argument. We weren't talking about how Marquis has pitched this year, we were talking about one game. You were saying everyone would change their stance on this move if the offense didn't come through, but thats wrong. You are arguing that: The starter gives up 5 runs in 5 IP. The bullpen gives up 1 run in 4 IP. (which, if we lost 6-5, it would have been) The offense scores 5 runs. And its the pen's fault. Don't put words into my mouth to provide adequate basis for your argument. I am NOT talking about one game, I am talking about one game after many. If the bullpen had blown ANOTHER lead, its not like I'm examining this one game arbitrarily. I have, since the beginning taken the whole season into account. I pointed out this game particularly because Howry had blown another one for the but its kinda okay because the Cubs won and he will get back on track camp.

Ohman has been outstanding against left handed hitters for several years now, and this year is no different. They're 2 for 20 with a 2B and 3 BB against him going into today, that's good no matter how much you remember a bad outing. Howry's stuff isn't any different than year's past. He's not perfect, and that's why he's a situational reliever. His BABIP isn't in line with the amount of line drives he's giving up, his BAA will start coming down before too long, regardless of how angry everyone gets when he gets hit. If you aren't going to be satisfied with a combination of Howry, Cotts, and Marmol getting you through the 7th, then you're being too difficult to please. Nobody is all that great until you get to the back of the pen, that's why they're middle relievers. Even then, Cotts has been a good reliever, Marmol has dynamic stuff(much like Wuertz), and Howry has been 8th inning caliber for several previous years. Getting back to the real point, if you're that dissatisfied with that setup, is Guzman really going to make you feel better about the pen? If the Sox pen doesn't decide to suck like the Cubs one does today we lose 6-5, how would everyones tune sound then? We blow game after game and its not okay anymore. The "tune" wouldn't change at all. If we lost 6-5, it'd mainly be on the shoulders of our offense and starting pitching. Its not like it was 5-0 and the bullpen gave up all the runs, Marquis left with it tied. Wow, so you really would start complaining about the offense who scored a very winnable 5 runs and Marquis who had been our best pitcher all year? You would not be dissatisfied with the fact Howry blows another game in the 8th inning? I would complain about Marquis giving up 5 earned runs, yes. What does his pitching this year have to do with anything? We're talking about one game. If you lose 6-5 in a game where your starter gave up 5 runs, he is on the hook for a bad outing. What are you trying to argue exactly? I'm arguing the fact that Marquis' outing was an anomaly while the bullpen has been a perpetual problem that has cost us at least 10 games. I would forgive Marquis for a rough outing before I forgave Howry screwing over the team once again.

Ohman has been outstanding against left handed hitters for several years now, and this year is no different. They're 2 for 20 with a 2B and 3 BB against him going into today, that's good no matter how much you remember a bad outing. Howry's stuff isn't any different than year's past. He's not perfect, and that's why he's a situational reliever. His BABIP isn't in line with the amount of line drives he's giving up, his BAA will start coming down before too long, regardless of how angry everyone gets when he gets hit. If you aren't going to be satisfied with a combination of Howry, Cotts, and Marmol getting you through the 7th, then you're being too difficult to please. Nobody is all that great until you get to the back of the pen, that's why they're middle relievers. Even then, Cotts has been a good reliever, Marmol has dynamic stuff(much like Wuertz), and Howry has been 8th inning caliber for several previous years. Getting back to the real point, if you're that dissatisfied with that setup, is Guzman really going to make you feel better about the pen? If the Sox pen doesn't decide to suck like the Cubs one does today we lose 6-5, how would everyones tune sound then? We blow game after game and its not okay anymore. The "tune" wouldn't change at all. If we lost 6-5, it'd mainly be on the shoulders of our offense and starting pitching. Its not like it was 5-0 and the bullpen gave up all the runs, Marquis left with it tied. Wow, so you really would start complaining about the offense who scored a very winnable 5 runs and Marquis who had been our best pitcher all year? You would not be dissatisfied with the fact Howry blows another game in the 8th inning?

Ohman has been outstanding against left handed hitters for several years now, and this year is no different. They're 2 for 20 with a 2B and 3 BB against him going into today, that's good no matter how much you remember a bad outing. Howry's stuff isn't any different than year's past. He's not perfect, and that's why he's a situational reliever. His BABIP isn't in line with the amount of line drives he's giving up, his BAA will start coming down before too long, regardless of how angry everyone gets when he gets hit. If you aren't going to be satisfied with a combination of Howry, Cotts, and Marmol getting you through the 7th, then you're being too difficult to please. Nobody is all that great until you get to the back of the pen, that's why they're middle relievers. Even then, Cotts has been a good reliever, Marmol has dynamic stuff(much like Wuertz), and Howry has been 8th inning caliber for several previous years. Getting back to the real point, if you're that dissatisfied with that setup, is Guzman really going to make you feel better about the pen? I'm essentially attacking my own bullpen optimism, I refuse to believe in them anymore. So Howry has been good for 3 years, Mark Prior was good for 3 years. His arm was used religiously and who knows if it will bounce back like we want it to. And you can make fun of me recalling the bad outing, but unfortunately I agree with your argument there. Thats not the point I addressed. When he goes just against lefties he does good, its just that he doesn't only get to face lefties and it would help if he didn't walk every right handed batter he faced. He has not been a world beater but like I said, I don't have a problem with him. And no, Guzman does not make me feel better. I don't want him in the pen either. However, plugging in AAA pitchers and moving everyone around doesn't make me feel all that comfortable. If the Sox pen doesn't decide to suck like the Cubs one does today we lose 6-5, how would everyones tune sound then? We blow game after game and its not okay anymore.

Our pen(especially since we've already added Marmol which makes Guzman redundant) and Guzman are better than you're giving them credit for. Case in point... This argument I won't buy...The pen is utterly terrible and needs to be corrected. Maybe Marmol can be effective for us but he showed his obvious lack of control has not went anywhere with his appearance today. Bringing him in with men on base is asking for disaster. I will give the pen zero credit aside from Wuertz and Dempster in save situations. Dempster has been very good, Wuertz is good and should be the 8th inning guy, Ohman has continued to be effective as a LOOGY, Cotts has been better than expected, and Howry is better than his current production(his BABIP should be about .030 lower, a huge difference for a reliever). With the addition of Marmol, you have Howry, Cotts, and Marmol as options(who you have varying levels of comfort with) to get you through the 7th(plus Ohman as a lefty assassin), and pitch the 8th/9th occasionally in games with large deficits. It's far from a disaster. Oh wow. This is what I won't buy into anymore, I've listened to it all year and have said it myself. Ohman is getting better, yet still sucks. What did he do today? Let gritty Erstad on, got Uribe out I believe, then walked AJ. Small sample sure, but its getting old. Despite the struggle, he is a decent loogy career wise so hes not all bad. Howry has been a disgrace, his numbers indicate exactly how hes pitched. His BABIP might me lower if his fastball wasn't straighter then a arrow. Hes terrible, Dusty taxed him and the 07' Cubs are seeing this first hand. Hes no longer an 8th inning guy. We can't say Howry, Marmol and Cotts will get us through the 7th, how many times have we had to call in our best reliever Wuertz to get us out of those early situations? Do you want to see wild Marmol or Howry pitching with the bases loaded? The bullpen is a joke and should have no confidence in it until it manages to go a whole week without blowing holds and saves. Bullpen apologists be damned. Whats hard to understand there? He isn't doing that well this season because of his wildness and inclination to blow games (hes sucking) but hes still not all bad because statistics show he can get lefties out when used correctly. He will come around and I do not have a big problem with him despite the fact hes easily screwed the Cubs over in multiple games this year, along with Howry.

Our pen(especially since we've already added Marmol which makes Guzman redundant) and Guzman are better than you're giving them credit for. Case in point... This argument I won't buy...The pen is utterly terrible and needs to be corrected. Maybe Marmol can be effective for us but he showed his obvious lack of control has not went anywhere with his appearance today. Bringing him in with men on base is asking for disaster. I will give the pen zero credit aside from Wuertz and Dempster in save situations. Dempster has been very good, Wuertz is good and should be the 8th inning guy, Ohman has continued to be effective as a LOOGY, Cotts has been better than expected, and Howry is better than his current production(his BABIP should be about .030 lower, a huge difference for a reliever). With the addition of Marmol, you have Howry, Cotts, and Marmol as options(who you have varying levels of comfort with) to get you through the 7th(plus Ohman as a lefty assassin), and pitch the 8th/9th occasionally in games with large deficits. It's far from a disaster. Oh wow. This is what I won't buy into anymore, I've listened to it all year and have said it myself. Ohman is getting better, yet still sucks. What did he do today? Let gritty Erstad on, got Uribe out I believe, then walked AJ. Small sample sure, but its getting old. Despite the struggle, he is a decent loogy career wise so hes not all bad. Howry has been a disgrace, his numbers indicate exactly how hes pitched. His BABIP might me lower if his fastball wasn't straighter then a arrow. Hes terrible, Dusty taxed him and the 07' Cubs are seeing this first hand. Hes no longer an 8th inning guy. We can't say Howry, Marmol and Cotts will get us through the 7th, how many times have we had to call in our best reliever Wuertz to get us out of those early situations? Do you want to see wild Marmol or Howry pitching with the bases loaded? The bullpen is a joke and should have no confidence in it until it manages to go a whole week without blowing holds and saves. Bullpen apologists be damned. Will Ohman is a LOOGY and he's doing that well: .100/.217/.150/.367 in 20 ABs. Too bad Piniella keeps making him face righties...where he sucks (25 ABs, .853 OPS-against). I know he is a LOOGY, I have said he has good numbers career-wise many times but how many walks has he given up? His act is getting old like everyone else in that pen.

Our pen(especially since we've already added Marmol which makes Guzman redundant) and Guzman are better than you're giving them credit for. Case in point... This argument I won't buy...The pen is utterly terrible and needs to be corrected. Maybe Marmol can be effective for us but he showed his obvious lack of control has not went anywhere with his appearance today. Bringing him in with men on base is asking for disaster. I will give the pen zero credit aside from Wuertz and Dempster in save situations. Dempster has been very good, Wuertz is good and should be the 8th inning guy, Ohman has continued to be effective as a LOOGY, Cotts has been better than expected, and Howry is better than his current production(his BABIP should be about .030 lower, a huge difference for a reliever). With the addition of Marmol, you have Howry, Cotts, and Marmol as options(who you have varying levels of comfort with) to get you through the 7th(plus Ohman as a lefty assassin), and pitch the 8th/9th occasionally in games with large deficits. It's far from a disaster. Oh wow. This is what I won't buy into anymore, I've listened to it all year and have said it myself. Ohman is getting better, yet still sucks. What did he do today? Let gritty Erstad on, got Uribe out I believe, then walked AJ. Small sample sure, but its getting old. Despite the struggle, he is a decent loogy career wise so hes not all bad. Howry has been a disgrace, his numbers indicate exactly how hes pitched. His BABIP might me lower if his fastball wasn't straighter then a arrow. Hes terrible, Dusty taxed him and the 07' Cubs are seeing this first hand. Hes no longer an 8th inning guy. We can't say Howry, Marmol and Cotts will get us through the 7th, how many times have we had to call in our best reliever Wuertz to get us out of those early situations? Do you want to see wild Marmol or Howry pitching with the bases loaded? The bullpen is a joke and should have no confidence in it until it manages to go a whole week without blowing holds and saves. Bullpen apologists be damned.

Our pen(especially since we've already added Marmol which makes Guzman redundant) and Guzman are better than you're giving them credit for. Case in point... This argument I won't buy...The pen is utterly terrible and needs to be corrected. Maybe Marmol can be effective for us but he showed his obvious lack of control has not went anywhere with his appearance today. Bringing him in with men on base is asking for disaster. I will give the pen zero credit aside from Wuertz and Dempster in save situations.

Interesting, whats the word on him?

Dlee just said hes ready to go tomorrow.

It may be spotty, but it can't be any worse than Howry's Spotty? The balls are going everywhere!

Hes hitting 93-94, the gun was off for the 99.

Wow did Marmol just make Erstad look silly.

Marmol I think. Nice.

If peeing your pants is cool, consider me Miles Davis.

It was like what Carlos Lee did to us. It feels good to be on the other side!

Holy [expletive] crap!