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Most of the computers have Ohio State and Oklahoma having almost the exact same strength of schedule. Before Oklahoma lost to Texas Tech, I didn't hear anybody complaining about their schedule like they do about Ohio State's.

Gee, I wonder why is that? who knows, but anyone who thinks that record is meaningful needs to work on their analytical skills. im pretty sure a good portion of those games occured over 15 years ago Really? Then what conference was Florida in? the WAC? Gimmie a break. If there is a Big 10 school, matching up aganist a SEC school, almost 75% of the time, a SEC school is going to win it. The talent in the SEC > the talent in the Big 10. Go check the Big Ten vs Sec in bowl games since the BCS system. B10 has the slight advantage. For now. Just give it time. It'll slant over to the SEC eventually. That covers a period of 10 years! How long are we supposed to wait before the SEC gains this 75 percent advantage?

It depends on which bowl is picking. The Fiesta Bowl has already come out and indicated that they'd rather have Kansas than Missouri.

Apparently the coaches poll has LSU at #2, which virtually assures them of going to the national championship.

Not anything that hasn't been heard before when other teams have done the same thing. Personally, I don't really care about the conference champion label. LSU had 2 conference losses, Georgia had 2 conference losses. The fact that LSU played in the easier division doesn't mean in my mind that they should be given more consideration. Now if you say that LSU had the better resume, that is a different story, but I'm not sure that can be proven.

It probably won't make you feel any better, but at least those schools just aren't getting picked ahead of you. Kansas will probably get up to #4 in the BCS which will give them an automatic bid, and that shuts Missouri out of consideration. I agree with you though that if they put the 10 teams with the strongest resumes in Missouri would be there.

technically no, but their final game vs Michigan was for the title Right, but in every other conference they would have had to win that game plus another and look how that's working out for Missouri. Big East, Pac-10, and Big Ten all need conference championship games...... At least everyone plays each other in the Big East and Pac-10. Conference championship games sometimes matchup teams that played each other during the regular season. It's one more hurdle that Big 12, ACC, and SEC teams must face. I don't exactly feel sorry for those 3 conferences that created a championship game for only one reason: money. Then they complain that it's an extra hurdle, but it's a self-imposed hurdle. I also don't see why its fair that the other 3 conferences have to have championship games just because the other 3 conferences were greedy.

If you're going to add South Carolina for LSU, you need to add Oklahoma State for Georgia. In just about every computer ranking, Georgia had a slightly harder schedule then LSU did coming into today. The SEC title game should probably tilt that to make LSU have the slight edge in the schedule, but it will be close.

It's possible, but I doubt it. Ohio State is just so far down in the computers compared to WV that they'd have to have a pretty decent edge in both polls in order to have a shot to leapfrog, and given the skepticism towards Ohio State this year I just cannot see that many people jumping them over WV.

Nope. The TD got taken away on a horrible holding call. UConn missed a field goal, and it's still 10-7. Pitt. Thanks, I guess this game is confusing everyone including me with the posts in this thread :D

Nope. The TD got taken away on a horrible holding call. UConn missed a field goal, and it's still 10-7.

If both WVU and Missouri lose I'd guess Ohio State would be the No. 1 team. They'll be unanimous or close to it in the Coaches Poll and probably in the Harris Poll which are 2/3 of the BCS. As for No. 2, who knows. Do you put Georgia in even though they didn't even make the SEC title game? What about LSU and USC? I don't see how anyone with half a brain could vote Virginia Tech over LSU considering what happened when the two teams played so I would have to assume that Va Tech has no chance of making the title game, and justifiably so. The justification is that Virginia Tech and LSU are completely different teams than the ones who played a long time ago now. Tech was starting a different quarterback then they are now, and LSU's defense was playing so well back in week 2. LSU hasn't looked like that team in a couple of months now, and voters may take that into account. It may not be right, but how you're playing at the end of the year counts for a lot. Besides, history has proven that head to head doesn't mean much in selecting that second team, and 2001 is a great example of that.

Vance may be right. If WVU and Missouri both lose it's going to get very messy. There is one computer ranking out there that allows you to add certain results to see what happens to the rankings. I added in 5 games from today (including WV and Missouri losing) and what happened? LSU and Va Tech jumped Ohio State and Georgia to become the number 1 and 2 teams in this computer ranking. If even half the computer rankings are like this, things could get interesting.

Id bet its Georgia Possibly, but considering LSU won the SEC...they may get the nod ahead of Georgia. Yeah, but LSU really needed a more impressive performance in order to jump Georgia. People aren't really going to be wowed by the SEC title game.

Are we counting rookies and September callups? if so, position player is Scott Moore? pitcher is Clay Rapada

IMO, kicking an 18 yard field goal is almost always bad strategy. You either get a TD on 4th down, or you give the opponent the ball on the 1 yard line. Teams starting on the 1 yard line don't pick up a 1st down very often (and occasionally give up a safety), and so even if Missouri didn't get it they would have had a great chance of having great field position on their next drive.

After a cheap personal foul gives WV a 7-0 lead, a cheap personal foul gives Pitt a field goal at the buzzer. 7-3 WV at halftime.

WV was stopped for a 4th down field goal attempt, but Pitt committed a personal foul that gave WV a first down. Next play, WV runs for a TD. Pat White is very questionable to return to this game though. He cannot grab anything with his thumb at the moment.

Michigan hasn't committed yet. The Capital One Bowl is down to Illinois and Michigan. If Illinois doesn't get picked by the BCS, they'll play in that bowl and Michigan will play in the Champs Sports. If Illinois does get picked, then Michigan plays in the Capital One Bowl. someone just said Michigan was in the Champ Sports bowl Not exactly-somebody asked them where Michigan would go if Illinois went to the Capital One Bowl, and they replied Champ Sports with a link. That link said that Michigan would go to the Capital One if Illinois went to the BCS and to the Champs Sports if they didn't.

Pat White is down holding his thumb. It looks like it's his non-throwing thumb, but that's still a big problem for WV.

Michigan hasn't committed yet. The Capital One Bowl is down to Illinois and Michigan. If Illinois doesn't get picked by the BCS, they'll play in that bowl and Michigan will play in the Champs Sports. If Illinois does get picked, then Michigan plays in the Capital One Bowl.

I think Clemson has already made its way into the top 14 with the losses to both B.C. and Tennessee. I do think Illinois would get picked over Clemson though, although it would be a very close decision.

If you read the link talking about Michigan I posted, it says the Illini will go to the Capitol One bowl if they are in the top 14 and Mizzou wins. If the bowl committee can match up FLA with the Illini its going to happen. Too good of storyline If Illinois plays Florida, it won't be in the BCS. If they go to the Capital One Bowl, that means the BCS has already said no to them. That's exactly what Derwood and I are predicting that if the favorites win tonight Illinois is going to the Capital One against Florida and not the BCS.

Illinois will be getting a BCS game undeservedly, of course. nonetheless it's not a done deal yet. Keep up the hate, its great comedy. The Illini will be in the top 14 now, and I doubt they get passed over for an at large. Not going to matter because when OU beats Mizzou tonight, the Illini will be playing in the Rose, while Ohio State plays for the NC. top 14 doesn't matter, and they WOULD be an at-large. What do you mean top 14 doesnt matter? You have to be in the top 14 to get in a BCS game, and I said I doubt they would get passed over for an at large. Not really sure why you have WOULD like that. 14 teams for 10 slots. and you're making it sound like they aren't an at-large. why wouldn't your at-large get passed for another (say, Georgia or Tennesse or Hawaii or Missouri or Oklahoma or Kansas or.....) How am I making it sound like they arent an at large when I put right in my post I doubt they would get passed over for an at large? The question is why you doubt it. Illinois doesn't have that big of a draw nationally. They aren't a lock to bring a ton of fans, and they have a questionable resume. Sure, the Rose Bowl will definitely take them if they are there, but why would any other bowl pick Illinois over Arizona State? Assuming all the favorites win tonight, of course. I think Illinois needs 1 of 4 things to happen tonight to get an at-large bid. They need either Missouri, WV, Arizona State, or Hawaii to lose.

Illinois will be getting a BCS game undeservedly, of course. nonetheless it's not a done deal yet. Keep up the hate, its great comedy. He's right about the undeservedly thing, and I'd love to get more Big 10 teams in. Right now though, Georgia and Hawaii get in automatically, and one of Kansas or Missouri deserves to get in, and then Arizona State is probably more deserving then Illinois. Even if you don't think Arizona State, Clemson has just as good of resume as Illinois.