That takes a lot of effort to write all of that off. Not really. Especially not the two different conferences part. That is a completely meaningless anecdote. Carolina's Super Bowl run was an 11-5 wild card team, which meant they won three playoff games to get to the Super Bowl. After a down year, they went 11-5 again, making it to the NFC Championship game. Both of those runs were with Jake Delhomme as QB. Which, while if I wanted to I could poo-poo that as crapshooty playoff (the regular seasons were great, but that's not what we're talking about) randomness, is great, but has nothing to do with the "two different conferences" silliness that I was responding to. Fine, whatever. You made other points about Manning and playoffs randomness...which maybe would work for one flukey run, but for two...not as much. Like I said, you're making a lot of effort to write off his accomplishments because you're not blown away by him...which is fine, I'm not saying you have to love him...but he's got an extremely solid resume.