How are the Redskins "a joke so far"? We're two flippin games in! They played a tight game with the Vikings at home and trailed the Cowboys by 7 heading to the 4th quarter at Dallas. That makes them a joke? gflore, Portis played against the Vikings and played most of the game so get that right. As far as the Panthers go, you're basically taking last year's offense substituting Steve Smith for Keyshawn Johnson and adding in DeAngelo Williams who is a stud. Yes they haven't looked good, but maybe the Falcons and Vikings have pretty good defenses? For crying out loud people, the Bears are the favorite and they should be. Leave it at that. It's just stupid when you try to spin that the Panthers and Redskins are on equal ground or not much better than the stinkin Lions and Packers. Use a little common sense. The Panthers without Steve Smith are a mediocre football team. The Redskins look weak this season. You talk about the Skins playing a tight game with another mediocre team in the Vikings, but then write off the Lions, who played a tight game with the reigning NFC Champs. I think you're the one who needs to use a little common sense. Bingo. I am from the Washington DC area. I have heard all about how great the Skins will be this year. So far, they are a joke. They cant move the ball on offense. Dallas also looks like a joke. The "power house" NFC East is looking like a 2 team division at best. You act like the Vikings barely beating the Redskins and Panthers is better than the Lions holding tight to a much better team in the Seahawks. Until the Vikings actually look like a good team on the field, and not just a lucky one, I am going to discredit them. dude, a fake fg for a TD is not luck! :wink: