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There's a big difference between thinking we won't compete in 2011 and thinking we won't compete by 2015. -
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/justin-uptons-future-value/ So in Soto's best year, his WAR is equivalent to Upton's realistic floor? Regardless, this trade isn't just about next year. Over the next 5 years, it's a pretty safe bet that Upton will be much more valuable, given Soto's age, position and injury history. Upton has Hall of Fame talent and has been successful in the majors at a very young age. With a team far from being a World Series, he's exactly the type of player you should be buying low on.
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I'd trade Soto for him There are better ways to get marginally better than trading Soto for Upton. 22 year olds with Upton's talent level don't come along very often.
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I'd trade Soto for him
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Would you give up Castro?
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I don't think they really see him as a starter at all. They saw a hole in "power right-handed setup man" (a similar position to "left-handed cleanup hitter" and "speedy leadoff hitter") and figure they've filled it for the next 15 years with Cashner. At this point, it's wishful thinking he'll ever be seriously considered for the rotation.
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Casey Coleman could probably be just as good without costing anything There's at least ten pitchers in the minors who could do better than Millwood. On what planet does Millwood have upside? Outside of one fluke season, he hasn't been good in years and he's 35 years old.
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Is it safe to say the obsession this offseason will be mediocre veteran starting pitchers?
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Dunn would be a good signing, but if signing him and filling the rest of the holes on this team means we again go cheap on the draft and avoid bidding on the top international free agents, then I don't blame them for passing. As the past two teams have shown, spending more money than anyone else doesn't guarantee the playoffs. Even if we don't decrease the payroll, we'll still need a lot of luck to make the playoffs. Maximizing the major league payroll to the detriment of other parts of the organization is stupid given the current state of the team.
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I'm not saying blow it up. I'm just saying don't stretch the budget so that we can sign Dunn, a SP and some veteran relievers. If we can afford it without affecting long-term success, fine. But barring a few huge additions, our best case scenario no matter what we do is probably winning around 88 games in a crappy division and having the privilege of playing the Phillies in the first round. Save the money, get few 1-2 year rentals and hope for the best. This current team had its window, but it's basically closed now. No sense in giving out more longterm contracts to thirty-something players to prolong the agony. I think Ricketts is taking the correct approach in modernizing Wrigley and putting more money into the farm system. Those are the only two assets that will affect the team's long-term success.
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http://www.northsidebaseball.com/forum/topic?f=6&t=58457 So about $116 million? I guess what will be key is how much "slightly less" will be. Evidently under $129 mil (the $116 figure plus $13 mil per for Dunn). Is $15 mil a "slight" amount? I realize it's the Ricketts team and they can do what they please, but how many people are going to come to Wrigley and see the updated bathrooms when the are winning 70 games each year? When the average fan starts expecting the team to suck when it's time to buy tickets in Feb, ticket sales will plummet. Will they drop back to early 1980's attendance figures? No, but dropping back to averages of 25-28,000 per game is quite possible. Who cares? Put money in the farm system, build a team the right way, and they'll come back when we start winning.
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give credit to thibs for the 3's. he stopped practice and yelled at loul for taking a long 2 during a preseason scrimmage. that would always drive me crazy with loul. apparently scalabrine will take his place when it comes to taking silly long 2's The worst shot in basketball. Deng loved it. Great win last night. That was a nice, easy win over a pretty good team. Thib's defensive philosophy has always been forcing long 2's, so it makes sense one of the first things he did was stop one his best players from doing that. It's amazing to see the team have a purpose on the offensive end, the 4th quarter against the Thunder notwithstanding.
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And he's one step closer to losing his job...
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Bears Game 8: Sunday Nov 7 at Buffalo (Toronto) on Fox
KingCubsFan replied to Banedon's topic in Other Sports
Who was the last one? I honestly can't remember. Berrian was for a short time, though he never quite got to 1000yds. Booker was in the pro bowl in 2002 and had two 1000+yd season for the Bears. Marcus Robinson had that one insane year, too. -
It does seem to me that every writer has them doing great this year, which is why it's suspicious that Vegas has such a low over/under. It's as if they are begging people to take the over. It's smart of them, considering our brutal early season schedule and the injury history of some of our key players (Boozer, Noah and Deng). If the team can stay relatively healthy, I think we're capable of around 50 wins. But I'd have no problem winning a few less due to early season struggles/injuries and getting the 6th seed as long as we're healthy come playoff time. At full strength, I think we can beat the Celtics and Magic in the playoffs.
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Brutal, brutal season - worst I can remember
KingCubsFan replied to BeerHere's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
That has already happened. Attendance was only down about 100,000 this year (and roughly 650 people per game). That followed a roughly 130,000 decrease from 2008-2009. Attendance has been down all around baseball though, so I wonder how much the decline varies from the rest of the league. They were still 4th in the NL, which is where they almost always are. -
I agree with you, but keep in mind who we're talking about. I fully expect them to make those bad decisions.
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An 80+ inning increase in workload sure does, though.
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That statement is dumb. Care to elaborate?
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oh is that all? Yep. Other teams have figured it out, Hendry should too. Take former top prospects/high draft picks off another team's hands for nothing: http://espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=5910 http://espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=5650 http://espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=4838 http://espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=4572 http://espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=5998 http://espn.go.com/mlb/players/stats?playerId=6224
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He was the best option in the organization, there was a decent chance that was what he was going to end up being eventually anyway, it got his arbitration clock started earlier and the team needed pitching help in the majors. It was not the ideal usage for the guy, but he hasn't been ruined or had his career destroyed. Archer and Jay Jackson were probably better options than a lot of guys that appeared in the pen this year, would you be ok with them being there? Jay Jackson more so than Archer. But Cashner's situation was very unique given his history as a reliever and very limited success as an actual starter. The fact is you can't start out every pitching prospect in the rotation. You can get guys innings in the bullpen and you aren't necessarily destroying their careers. That's correct, but as you point out, Cashner had a unique situation. He needed innings as a starter to build up his inning count since he was previously a reliever. Now, the Cubs are stuck either letting him start for only part of the season in 2011, or letting him throw 190 innings and watching him blow out his arm in 2012.
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It's a problem when they have no good options and our GM, in an attempt to save his job, puts our top prospects in there. I'm pretty sure they've already quoted someone saying Cashner is in the running for a rotation spot next year. The other part of the point is that you can't plan on awesome middle relievers, they're the most unpredictable performers in baseball. I guess you could have 3 awesome relievers to help, but that gets expensive. As it stands, the Cubs have 2 awesome relievers, plus a lot of farmhands that only need 1 or 2(if you don't trust Russell) to be okay. Plus Guzman potentially coming back. You don't need to pay a lot to get serviceable guys, teams like the Padres and Cardinals do it all the time. And while relievers are unpredictable, the one stat that's a pretty good predictor of whether someone will be a bad reliever is walks. And the Cubs young pitchers, basically without exception, excel at walking people.
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It's a problem when they have no good options and our GM, in an attempt to save his job, puts our top prospects in there.
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That sure worked out well last year. Cashner's already in there due to necessity, and his career is probably ruined because of it. Can't wait to see Jay Jackson and Chris Archer warming up in the 6th and 7th next year.
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I meant the pitching as a whole, including the bullpen. Regardless of how much luck is involved in bullpen success, we can't just keep on relying on the "plethora of arms throughout" the system, because most of them either walk too many people or are too hittable. I don't want to waste what little money we have on "veteran" relievers, but Hendry needs to get a little more creative. Do what Kenny Williams does and go get some guys for cheap with real talent. People like Justin Berg don't belong on a major league roster, particularly one that wants to contend.
