Putting words in my mouth. When did I said anything about a "clean pocket". The Saints line in most Brees years has been good but not great. The entire point of this discussion (at least for my part, I can't speak for what NOLA was arguing about with you) was to say that the people who think he is less of a QB than he used to be are assuming that the Saints are sucking because Brees is aging when they are actually sucking on offense because of the crappy offensive line. His QB rating was still good enough for sixth in the league last year, his comp pct was 2nd in the league, and his yards were 1st in the league, but his TD's were down significantly because the team just wasn't as good, especially the offensive line.