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Wow. Low pitch count...He picked off a runner. I like him already!

so carlos zambrano doesn't have as good stuff as the best pitcher of all-time? shame on him. You're preaching to the choir my man...

This is untrue. If I am Pedro Martinez and it's the offseason between 1999 and 2000, and I say I predict I will win the CYA, does that make me an idiot or arrogant? That makes me betting on the odds. But this is a tangent but there are a few cases where predicting a CYA for yourself isn't idiotic. I don't have a problem with that comment. It came off wrong, but it seemed to me like that was his goal. Frankly, I'd rather his goal be to win the CYA than make the playoffs, because of he does the first the second would come. No, because Pedro usually backs it up. And so does Z. Until 3 months out of this year. Z's never had Cy Young stuff. Pedro did. Sure he has. He has some of the best stuff in all of baseball. Not as good as Pedro in his prime. so carlos zambrano isn't as good as (arguably) the best pitcher of all-time? shame on him. We were talking about their "Stuff". Read the thread...

Pitch better and he'll get his wish.

This is jibberish. Seems like Hendry and McDonough told him a bunch of stuff to say, and it's coming out in scattershot order. Do the fans even care? Just pitch well and we'll love ya!

*Groans* Pretty much what I figured. Don't look for the Cubs to do anything this offseason. 2008 is going to be a crappy year. The only thing they can really do is add a RF'er. There aren't that many moves to make.

There's a difference in having great stuff and harnessing or maximizing that great stuff. His control isn't that great. That factors in to determining how great a pitchers 'stuff' is. Is there a stat on "stuff"? Uhhh...no. Why are you asking that question anyway? It's a joke! I'm just joking around.

There's a difference in having great stuff and harnessing or maximizing that great stuff. His control isn't that great. That factors in to determining how great a pitchers 'stuff' is. Is there a stat on "stuff"? No. You use your eyes. Sorry I believe in Stats only. :wink:

There's a difference in having great stuff and harnessing or maximizing that great stuff. His control isn't that great. That factors in to determining how great a pitchers 'stuff' is. Is there a stat on "stuff"?

This is untrue. If I am Pedro Martinez and it's the offseason between 1999 and 2000, and I say I predict I will win the CYA, does that make me an idiot or arrogant? That makes me betting on the odds. But this is a tangent but there are a few cases where predicting a CYA for yourself isn't idiotic. I don't have a problem with that comment. It came off wrong, but it seemed to me like that was his goal. Frankly, I'd rather his goal be to win the CYA than make the playoffs, because of he does the first the second would come. No, because Pedro usually backs it up. And so does Z. Until 3 months out of this year. Z's never had Cy Young stuff. Pedro did. Sure he has. He has some of the best stuff in all of baseball. Not as good as Pedro in his prime. So what? That does deter Zambrano's stuff. Just because he's not harnessing his stuff to the fullest and doesn't have great results and doesn't have Pedro in 2000 stuff doesn't mean he doesn't have "Cy Young stuff." Z has Cy Young "stuff". I never said he didn't. He's no where near at the level of Pedro. Not even close.

This is untrue. If I am Pedro Martinez and it's the offseason between 1999 and 2000, and I say I predict I will win the CYA, does that make me an idiot or arrogant? That makes me betting on the odds. But this is a tangent but there are a few cases where predicting a CYA for yourself isn't idiotic. I don't have a problem with that comment. It came off wrong, but it seemed to me like that was his goal. Frankly, I'd rather his goal be to win the CYA than make the playoffs, because of he does the first the second would come. No, because Pedro usually backs it up. And so does Z. Until 3 months out of this year. Z's never had Cy Young stuff. Pedro did. Sure he has. He has some of the best stuff in all of baseball. Not as good as Pedro in his prime. Pedro in his prime is the SOLE comparison for Cy Young talent? Who said that?

This is untrue. If I am Pedro Martinez and it's the offseason between 1999 and 2000, and I say I predict I will win the CYA, does that make me an idiot or arrogant? That makes me betting on the odds. But this is a tangent but there are a few cases where predicting a CYA for yourself isn't idiotic. I don't have a problem with that comment. It came off wrong, but it seemed to me like that was his goal. Frankly, I'd rather his goal be to win the CYA than make the playoffs, because of he does the first the second would come. No, because Pedro usually backs it up. And so does Z. Until 3 months out of this year. Z's never had Cy Young stuff. Pedro did. Sure he has. He has some of the best stuff in all of baseball. Not as good as Pedro in his prime.

Hooray for artificial and forced apologies!! Save the words and just pitch well, Z. Judge much? Sure there's a chance he's sincere with it but I highly doubt that. Z's true feelings came out yesterday and I would be willing to bet anything that somebody (Lou/management/his agent) are basically forcing him to do this. I just can't see Z making a complete 180. I mean, did anyone really believe Barrett and Z when they said there was nothing wrong after Z decked Barrett? I sure didn't. That being said, regardless of whether it's a sincere apology or not, I would still rather see him not say anything and just go out and pitch well on Saturday in Pittsburgh. Oh cmon - you've played sports haven't you? You've never done or said anything out of character during or right after a game? He wasn't drunk and uninhibited - he was frustrated and upset with himself. His motion to his head on the field makes me think otherwise. He had a few innings to think about this in the clubhouse before he had to speak with the media. This wasn't a closer giving up a walkoff home run and then talking with reporters 10 minutes later. Am I the only one who really wasnt offended by Z's comments? I guess I just thought he is getting as frustrated as the fans are and simply was reacting. Immature, sure, but its Z, and if you dont expect it from him by now, your being naive. What he said really wasnt that big of a deal-get over it kids. I was offended by his performence.

And he announces that his "New season" start's today!

I knew that was coming... I knew it should come, I wasn't positive it would....I'm very glad it is.... IF he's sufficiently contrite I expect a standing ovation next time he walks on the field. Depends what he does on his next two road starts.

I knew that was coming...

Ok a very bad year for my standards on Carlos Zambrano. Maybe standards that don't allow a pitcher (even an ace) to have a bad year are unrealistic? True, but his numbers have been declining for three years now. Then Dusty Baker should be booed. No one has been abused like Carlos, especially when he was young. That's a parental issue.

Ok a very bad year for my standards on Carlos Zambrano. Maybe standards that don't allow a pitcher (even an ace) to have a bad year are unrealistic? True, but his numbers have been declining for three years now.

This is untrue. If I am Pedro Martinez and it's the offseason between 1999 and 2000, and I say I predict I will win the CYA, does that make me an idiot or arrogant? That makes me betting on the odds. But this is a tangent but there are a few cases where predicting a CYA for yourself isn't idiotic. I don't have a problem with that comment. It came off wrong, but it seemed to me like that was his goal. Frankly, I'd rather his goal be to win the CYA than make the playoffs, because of he does the first the second would come. No, because Pedro usually backs it up. And so does Z. Until 3 months out of this year. How many Cy Young's does Z have? So now we're judging pitchers based on awards? I suppose only those that get gold gloves back up their defensive talk with actual defense? Of course not. Just making a point that comparaing the two is silly.

This is untrue. If I am Pedro Martinez and it's the offseason between 1999 and 2000, and I say I predict I will win the CYA, does that make me an idiot or arrogant? That makes me betting on the odds. But this is a tangent but there are a few cases where predicting a CYA for yourself isn't idiotic. I don't have a problem with that comment. It came off wrong, but it seemed to me like that was his goal. Frankly, I'd rather his goal be to win the CYA than make the playoffs, because of he does the first the second would come. No, because Pedro usually backs it up. And so does Z. Until 3 months out of this year. How many Cy Young's does Z have?

This is untrue. If I am Pedro Martinez and it's the offseason between 1999 and 2000, and I say I predict I will win the CYA, does that make me an idiot or arrogant? That makes me betting on the odds. But this is a tangent but there are a few cases where predicting a CYA for yourself isn't idiotic. I don't have a problem with that comment. It came off wrong, but it seemed to me like that was his goal. Frankly, I'd rather his goal be to win the CYA than make the playoffs, because of he does the first the second would come. No, because Pedro usually backs it up.

So we are villifying him by wanting him to stop sucking and start pitching like the ace he is? Ya sounds like we are real irrational. you've been villifying him from your very first post. And no one said anything about the fact that wanting him to stop sucking is a bad thing. But that yesterday was beyond that. We are going to have to agree to disagree because you arent going to change my mind that there was nothing wrong with what took place yesterday from the fans. I was just about to say the same thing, because I think yesterday was bushleague and classless. So was his performence... hahahahaha. that's a good one. yea z's all out hustle and zeal and passion for which he plays the game is the complete opposite of bushleague and classless. But I know you need to feel justification for the way he was treated by supposed fans yesterday. I don't care about hustle, Zeal, and Passion. I care about results, and the man isn't getting it done when we need him most. It's really that simple. As someone who has played competitive sports through college, there are a few things players directly control. You can work hard, you can want it badly, you can practice and dedicate yourself to a trade, but when you hit the field, you can't control what opponents do. I expect the best effort and committment to winning from my players. Seomteimes you just don't have good stuff and there isn't anything you can do it about. It is these situations in which I feel players need support not villification.l More times then not it's not about Z having good stuff. It's about him losing his concentration and composure on the mound. Then booing him would be even MORE counterproductive. It would rattle him even more. Put it this way. If this rattles him, I would hate to see him in the World Series.

So we are villifying him by wanting him to stop sucking and start pitching like the ace he is? Ya sounds like we are real irrational. you've been villifying him from your very first post. And no one said anything about the fact that wanting him to stop sucking is a bad thing. But that yesterday was beyond that. We are going to have to agree to disagree because you arent going to change my mind that there was nothing wrong with what took place yesterday from the fans. I was just about to say the same thing, because I think yesterday was bushleague and classless. So was his performence... hahahahaha. that's a good one. yea z's all out hustle and zeal and passion for which he plays the game is the complete opposite of bushleague and classless. But I know you need to feel justification for the way he was treated by supposed fans yesterday. I don't care about hustle, Zeal, and Passion. I care about results, and the man isn't getting it done when we need him most. It's really that simple. As someone who has played competitive sports through college, there are a few things players directly control. You can work hard, you can want it badly, you can practice and dedicate yourself to a trade, but when you hit the field, you can't control what opponents do. I expect the best effort and committment to winning from my players. Seomteimes you just don't have good stuff and there isn't anything you can do it about. It is these situations in which I feel players need support not villification.l More times then not it's not about Z having good stuff. It's about him losing his concentration and composure on the mound.

So we are villifying him by wanting him to stop sucking and start pitching like the ace he is? Ya sounds like we are real irrational. you've been villifying him from your very first post. And no one said anything about the fact that wanting him to stop sucking is a bad thing. But that yesterday was beyond that. We are going to have to agree to disagree because you arent going to change my mind that there was nothing wrong with what took place yesterday from the fans. I was just about to say the same thing, because I think yesterday was bushleague and classless. So was his performence... hahahahaha. that's a good one. yea z's all out hustle and zeal and passion for which he plays the game is the complete opposite of bushleague and classless. But I know you need to feel justification for the way he was treated by supposed fans yesterday. I don't care about hustle, Zeal, and Passion. I care about results, and the man isn't getting it done when we need him most. It's really that simple.

So we are villifying him by wanting him to stop sucking and start pitching like the ace he is? Ya sounds like we are real irrational. you've been villifying him from your very first post. And no one said anything about the fact that wanting him to stop sucking is a bad thing. But that yesterday was beyond that. We are going to have to agree to disagree because you arent going to change my mind that there was nothing wrong with what took place yesterday from the fans. I was just about to say the same thing, because I think yesterday was bushleague and classless. So was his performence...