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Here are the starters 2009 marcels with the 2008 and 2007 FIPs in parens, respectively. Z: 4.07 ERA (4.23, 4.58) Lilly: 4.49 (4.41, 4.16) Marquis: 4.70 (4.61, 4.99) Dempster: 4.11 (3.41, 4.54) Harden: 3.70 (2.95, 3.94) Not so pessimistic, are they?

me, but it needs to be through a glory hole So IMB! is Yan from ASiP? No, hes Frank talking to the Charlie doll.

me, but it needs to be through a glory hole

Neither Lugo, nor Renteria were trades. Also, I'm not sure if you've heard of a guy named Kevin Youkilis.

We should just retitle this the Jason Michaels thread.

Also by "deal structure" he means DEAL STRUCTURE. That author is freakin idiot. Zell wanted the deal structure to be heavily based on leveraging debt to avoid taxes. With the credit crisis, that obviously has to change.

I never said there was no chance. My guess is that he'd probably bat anywhere between .280 and .310 next year. I have no idea where on that range he'll fall, but if you set the over/under at .300 and made me bet on it, I'll take the under. One thing I will say...if the Cubs decide to go into 2009 with Theriot as their starting shortstop, I think it would be wise for them to give him more days off throughout the season. He tailed off the last couple months of the season. His September last year was a disaster. Edited to snip all the quoting. Well according to Shandler a true 300 hitter has a contact rate of at least 86% (because a strike out is always an out, whereas a ball in play has a chance of being a hit) and a walk rate of at least 11% (which measures selectivity, the more you walk, most likely the better batting eye, meaning you don't swing at pitches out of the zone). Its a good rule of thumb, but I'd also add in a bit more detail about the type of contact made. A guy who meets that criteria who hits all FBs, but without much power is not going to be a true 300 hitter. A guy who barely misses the threshold but hits a ton of LDs is going to be a true 300 hitter. A guy whos around the threshold and hits very few FBs, a decent amount of LDs and a lot of GBs, well hes a guy that is sorta a 300 hitter. Meaning that while he really IS a true 300 hitter, the variance of his average is going to be larger than normal that of a normal players. Basically, Theriot's average is more dependent on luck than other players. FBs (without power) are usually outs, LDs are usually hits, GBs, well its up to luck whether or not you hit it at someone. This is the category that Theriot falls into. He had an 11.2% BB rate and only a 10% K rate. His batted balls for 2008 (note, hes changed himself as a hitter this year from last) are 23.2%LD, 56.6%GB, 20.2%FB. Hes basically turned himself into the batter who faces ground ball pitchers (except for the fact that he has an above average walk rate and GB pitchers issue lower than average walks). So, while Theriot IS a true 300 hitter in the absence of luck, with good luck, he could contend for a batting title, with bad luck he could be worse than a replacement player. Thats something you can't really say about any other player.

Tim Alderson please. I wish. To answer your question, the Giants actually have a fairly decent minor league org. Its just that all of their talent lies in the lower levels so you may not know about them.

Sarcasm?

Really the team with probably the worst pitching in baseball wouldn't even think about trading for one of the best pitchers in baseball? You don't think Pie and Zambrano could even get a discussion about it? Nope. Zambrano has two straight seasons of an ERA of 3.9, a possibly bum shoulder and a huge new contract. He has negative trade value. Not to mention hes not a GB pitcher anymore and hasn't had a FIP under 4 in a while now. I have a feeling that the Carlos Zambrano era in Chicago is not going to end pretty. Nope, not at all...I think its going to be above and beyond the Sammy Sosa level.

Why? because Chone Figgins is not particularly good at playing baseball Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG *OPS+ TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP 2008 30 LAA AL 116 453 72 125 14 1 1 22 34 13 62 80 .276 .367 .318 84 144 2 0 3 3 7 I'd take those numbers as a 2 hitter in our line-up...you guys have to remember were probably not going to get anything to spectacular for D-Lee and his huge contract Its like you're Dusty Baker and Ned Colletti all wrapped up into one.

Not only do they have Adrian Gonzalez, as you mention, but they also have one hell of a 1B prospect named Kyle Blanks (.325/.404/.514 at AA as a 21 year old). Therefore, I don't see it happening. A third team would absolutely need to be worked in, and at that point there's really no point for SD to be involved. Best chance is Lee to SF, OAK or possibly the Angels if they aren't content with Kendry Morales at 1B. I would definitely pursue Lee and others for Matt Cain if at all possible. Not to mention that SD is slashing payroll, not increasing it.

Really the team with probably the worst pitching in baseball wouldn't even think about trading for one of the best pitchers in baseball? You don't think Pie and Zambrano could even get a discussion about it? Nope. Zambrano has two straight seasons of an ERA of 3.9, a possibly bum shoulder and a huge new contract. He has negative trade value. Not to mention hes not a GB pitcher anymore and hasn't had a FIP under 4 in a while now.

Would he accept a trade to Baltimore? We do know he doesn't like fans that boo. Do they boo in Baltimore? We also know that Baltimore likes him as they nearly traded for him before we stepped in and stole him away. The Cubs didn't steal him away. The owner wouldn't give him an extension so the deal fell through. Hendry was there to get sloppy seconds. It turned out to be a good trade for the Cubs but it wasn't exactly a steal. Why would the deal fall through if Baltimore wouldn't give him an extention? It was the opposite. Baltimore WANTED to give him the extention and it was DLee who wasn't gung ho on one. DLee didn't have an NTC so he couldn't have nixed a deal because Baltimore wouldn't give him an extention. All he could do was tell Baltimore that he didn't want an extention and Baltimore wouldn't want to acquire him without guaranteeing he'd be around for a while. However, my understanding was that the extention discussions were in progress, NOT dead when the Cubs swooped in and made an offer that the Marlins liked. The Marlins figured a bird in the hand, so they accepted it and the O's were left SOL. Although, I definitely could be wrong on that. Either way, I meant that the Cubs stole DLee from the O's, not from the Marlins.

wOBA DeRo=371 BRob=357

Seriously...dude, get off your lazy sack and search for the thread from like 3 weeks ago discussing this EXACT SAME SUBJECT How about I didnt know a thread already existed, so why would I search for something that I didnt know existed? Seriously...dude Hey look!!! You even posted in it. Well, I guess its not all an act. viewtopic.php?f=6&t=51208&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=hardy+cain

Seriously...dude, get off your lazy sack and search for the thread from like 3 weeks ago discussing this EXACT SAME SUBJECT How about I didnt know a thread already existed, so why would I search for something that I didnt know existed? Seriously...dude Nearly 7K posts in less than a year and a half...I find it hard to believe you just missed a thread that was on page 1 for multiple days.

Seriously...dude, get off your lazy sack and search for the thread from like 3 weeks ago discussing this EXACT SAME SUBJECT

20 HR, 100 RBI for that "older then dirt" player. He's also two years younger then Manny. He's worth a two year deal. EDIT: 371 OBP as well. The guy can still play and play at a high level. Bobby Abreu: 296/371/471 AL league average RF: 281/351/459 True story

Or trade him (coughpadrescough)

Would he accept a trade to Baltimore? We do know he doesn't like fans that boo. Do they boo in Baltimore? We also know that Baltimore likes him as they nearly traded for him before we stepped in and stole him away.

Didn't someone at the beginning of this thread say that the actions of WSI were not indicative of the fanbase as a whole? They absolutely cannot cheer for their own team, they have to root against the Cubs. Seriously, some psychiatrists need to study this.

Its true, they have a long and storied history of winning year after year, they weren't like us whatsoever.

No. he could. With the huge exception of OBP, Theriot's offense this season was not even close to good. That .387 OBP would also likely come down with his batting average not likely to stay at .307 Why is it not likely? Because you don't like him? i haven't looked too closely at the stats but I assume his BABIP is a little bit high for his LD% also, where would i find LD% stats? fangraphs.com. And no..his BABIP is actually in line with his LD percentage (23.2% with a BABIP of .340) If anything, it's just a touch low, but it's pretty much right on. Considering his GB and FB rates, his BABIP is actually decently low.

If you randomly chose two players who play the same position you'd have about a 95% chance of picking two players who are a closer match than Fontenot and Pedroia.