KurtEvans

For Goat Riders, I contacted the bloggers who follow teams that guys like Piniella, Valentine, and Johnson have managed to get their take on things. I just posted the Piniella comments today and it's really not pretty. Lou is apparently an a-hole who will keep his team in line, which is fine. But he doesn't have use for drawing walks, he has no patience for rookies, he'll blame everybody but himself, and he's attached to certain coaches despite their inadequacies. Sound like someone we know?

Hey guys, Byron over at Goat Riders has typed up a transcript of the press conference. the MacPhail/McDonough Press Conference I just thought you might be interested.

Read the article, sir. The EMail was sent to my site, to Desipio, to View from the Bleachers, to 1060, and to Bleed Cubbie Blue, among others. A strong majority of people who read the EMail thought that the "feel free to boo Dusty" comment was in bad taste. I was not the only one who voiced my opinion on the matter, but for whatever reason, my column was picked up by Deadspin, a second EMail was quickly sent out by ESPN, they soon began to deny the very existence of the EMail, Teddy Greenstein picked it up for the Tribune, and here we are. I just expressed my opinion on the subject and, feeling sorry for Baker, gave someone a heads up. I didn't call up the radio stations, I didn't EMail the news papers. I think the situation speaks for itself, and if you actually took the time to read any of the columns, you would see that I am not trying to set myself up as some "hero." I posted info about it here because it's an interesting topic. If it wasn't interesting, you wouldn't be discussing it still.

If it was a joke, then they should have said it was a joke. Instead, they have denied that anyone from ESPN encouraged Cub fans to boo Dusty, and have accused Cubs blogs and Deadspin of doctoring the original EMail. I believe that they were courting the controversy. They wanted Dusty because he might soon be fired, and they wanted fans to heckle Dusty because it would look good on TV. That show has terrible ratings, so it reaks of a ratings ploy to me. All I did was write one article on the subject. I expected the whole thing to go away. It didn't. You wrote one article, then wrote another about it, then went to another board to talk about it. Doesn't seem like you are that unhappy it hasn't gone away. I expected the whole thing to go away. It didn't. So, I kept writing about it. Three days later, Dusty cancelled his appearance. I have mixed feelings about the ordeal. I really don't want anyone to lose their jobs over this, and I get the feeling that the person who sent the initial EMails must be in trouble. I feel sorry for Stephen A. Smith because I don't want his show to fail, although in no way is any one incident responsible for that. I'm also thrilled by the publicity for the site I write for, and am glad that Dusty avoided the ambush. However, I wasn't courting it. I didn't EMail Teddy Greenstein, and I didn't ask Len to "tell Dusty that Goatriders thinks he should stay home." In fact, until today's post, I didn't tell ANYBODY that I asked Len to tell Dusty, and I only mentioned it then because Greenstein had heard about it from other sources. Anyway, I think the story is interesting, and I happen to be a small part of it. Regardless of your opinion on my intent, it was all along a hope that Dusty wouldn't get ambushed. In that sense, mission accomplished.

If it was a joke, then they should have said it was a joke. Instead, they have denied that anyone from ESPN encouraged Cub fans to boo Dusty, and have accused Cubs blogs and Deadspin of doctoring the original EMail. I believe that they were courting the controversy. They wanted Dusty because he might soon be fired, and they wanted fans to heckle Dusty because it would look good on TV. That show has terrible ratings, so it reaks of a ratings ploy to me. All I did was write one article on the subject. I expected the whole thing to go away. It didn't.

Sir, I have no problem with the idea of Dusty being criticized by Smith. Had Dusty done the interview, I would have expected Smith to ask hard questions. But I have a sincere problem with Dusty agreeing to do the show in good faith, only to have the show's producers EMail Cubs fans, asking them to BOO Dusty in the studio. That is backhanded, it is juvenile, and it is unfair. It seemed to absolutely be a rating's ploy on their part. It seemed like something worthy of Springer, not of ESPN. I dislike Dusty Baker. I want the Cubs to fire him. If I'm at a game, I will boo him. If he was ever gracious enough to agree to an interview with me, I would not arrange to have Cub fans heckle him from a distance. It's unfair. Simple as that.

In case you guys haven't heard, there was a bit of controversy regarding some EMails sent by the show Quite Frankly to some Cubs blogs ... Long story short, they told us that fans were invited to attend and BOO Dusty Baker. I didn't like that, so I wrote some things up about it, and EMailed Len Kasper to warn Dusty that he was going to get heckled, and Dusty has cancelled his appearance. If you want to know the full details, you can read about it here: link to Goat Riders of the Apocalypse

Thanks for the kind words, Master Shake. We aim to please over at Goat Riders. Our newest photoshop is for Cubzac, coming to a pharmacy near you!

Did you not learn anything from this thread? ...yeah, I've uh, had a long day. I fixed it.

Anyway. This has been an interesting topic. I sent Gunned a private message and it didn't bounce, so I assume he's not been banned and just hasn't responded. The mullet guy I found offensive. :wink:

That is internet folk lore propageted by people who were banned here posting on other boards. I read many boards, but this is the only one I post on becuase of the moderators. And they are more than tolerant of discussion and disagreement. I've read stuff from people who were banned here saying exactly what you wrote. But what they got banned for was continuing to flaut the rules of the borad. I remember quite a while ago engaging in a debate with someone here over something. Can't remember what it was about. After I made one post, I decided that it was way, way too inflamatory and offensive - possibly to the point of insinuating that whoever I was debating with was stupid - so I went back and edited it. Regretfully, my debate partner had already read and commented on the pre-edited post ... but I didn't get banned, so I have to figure that there's at least some deliberation involved before banning someone.

People never get banned for disagreeing. They get banned for acting like idiots. In your opinion, should Gunned get banned for the post he made?

Wow, this is quite ridiculous. The posters who post more are the bad irritating ones. Younger fans are the only ones complaining. In the interests of clarity, he never said that younger fans are the only ones complaining. To paraphrase, I believe he said that he thinks there is more complaining on this board than others because, in part, he thinks this board is a little younger overall. If he thinks that this board is "younger" than cubs.com, he must be new to the internet. I don't think he was comparing the board to Cubs.com. I think he was comparing the board to the other ones he frequents. I feel like there was a vast overreaction to what he said. I don't think he was saying that everyone here is a complainer, nor do I feel that he was even saying that complaining was bad. I think he just said that there is complaining here, and that the loudest ones are generally the youngsters, and that they can be irritating. However, I don't think he was saying that all people who complain are irritating. He didn't fit everyone into the category, he said he's seen "both good and bad," and that it's "not always true."

::whistles innocently:: Some forums have automatic presets for avatars, some don't. My bad.

Dual, actually. I also saw something about it on a message board, but I don't trust message boards enough to cite them as sources, or to make news reports based on what they say. No offense.

We can only report the things we hear, sir. While the radio stations aren't always accurate, I tend to trust their "news" enough to report something if I hear it from them. I will not feel vindicated if the Cubs actually wind up nabbing Day, should his appeal against waivers fail. It would be a bad move. So is it your blog? I'm co-founder and a writer there, and the person responsible for the errant report. Actually, I came up with the premise for the site on these message boards back in November of 2004, and also the inspiration for this: http://www.facetious.org/cubnation/carloswinmeter.jpg

We can only report the things we hear, sir. While the radio stations aren't always accurate, I tend to trust their "news" enough to report something if I hear it from them. I will not feel vindicated if the Cubs actually wind up nabbing Day, should his appeal against waivers fail. It would be a bad move.

This blog has reported accurate, breaking news in the past ahead of many other sports sites, including Chicagosports and ESPN. When it became obvious that the news wasn't being reported anywhere else, this blog updated its information to say that it was initially heard over a radio report, and that as time went on, it appeared more and more to be merely a rumor. This blog's co-owner is entirely happy to be wrong in this case. Zach Day would not be a good claim for the Cubs.

Nope. I am a writer for Goat Riders and creator of the Brokearm Mountain photoshop. On the other hand ... Brokearm has blazed a trail across the internet, including at a few radio stations where credit hasn't been given (and the Goat Riders name was mysteriously missing from the "created by" line). But yeah, it was me.

Ah. I'd tried to see if there had been an old thread about it, but saw nothing. My bad. Here's an original to make up for it ... part of my Bench Neifi campaign: http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/KurtEvans/neifilineup.jpg

Hey guys. I just thought I'd share with you a photoshop I made: http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/KurtEvans/br.jpg Enjoy!