jjgman21

Not quite sure what you're trying to do with this considering I didn't bring up Billy Volek. do you think I am incapable of clicking on other threads? Yes. I think you are an idiot with a IQ of 45 and about 12 functioning brain cells. :roll: Decent, average, what's the difference? But, as was brought up in the other thread (assuming you were able to click on it and read it) Volek has been in that system for 4 years and hasn't been hurt. Grossman has missed a majority of 3 seasons - there is only so much you can learn from a clipboard - and Griese is new to Chicago. It isn't exactly a new idea that Spurrier quarterbacks don't perform well in the NFL. It's not something I just came up with some night. the obvious connotation of your statement about Volek is he is a capable NFL QB. the obvious connotation of your statements about Grossman is he is not a capable NFL QB. Volek has been in the system, perhaps not hurt, but he also hasn't played. so I guess he must be vastly more capable of picking things up from a clipboard than Grossman is. you acknowledge the change over in the system in Chicago, but apparently don't take that into consideration when coming to the determination that Grossman isn't a worthy NFL QB. at this point you're just being argumentative and trying to get into a pissing match with me as evidenced by your eyeroll and the statements the eyeroll pertains to. Have you heard of practice? I know Allen Iverson doesn't like it very much, but it does help. Who do you think ran the offense in practice when McNair wasn't practicing but was still starting every Sunday? Billy Volek!! The last time I checked, if you're hurt, you can't practice. That's what I meant. I'm not being any more argumentative than you are with some of your statements. Did you forget about this one: Last time I checked, I didn't have to be a Bears fan to discuss matters pertaining to the team. If I did, there wouldn't be fans of any other team besides the Cubs that post on this site now would there? your point about practice is well taken although I still don't see how his practice and Grossman's lack thereof/status as a Florida alum has lead you to the conclusion that one is a capable NFL QB while the other is not. further, you clearly understand that you didn't express yourself clearly enough the first time, so I don't see the necessity of the drumroll or the sarcasm in that context. as for the second part, if you take that as argumentative, I feel for your family and friends. the two times Griese was brought up earlier in the thread, you chose to seize on it and make a comment. that seemed strange to me considering you had little else to say on the topic of the Bears.

No sh*t? I was told that there was some sort of combine thing held in the midwest, but I didn't believe it :roll: Just because someone was drafted high doesn't mean that they were worth of that pick. Kyle Boller was selected higher than Grossman in the same year, so he's better than Grossman isn't he? you can both stick your eyerolls. you too apparently are just trying to get into a pissing match with me. so for some reason all these Florida QBs are capable of fooling NFL scouts. whatever. the obvious point was Grossman had skills that other Florida QBs didn't.

Not quite sure what you're trying to do with this considering I didn't bring up Billy Volek. do you think I am incapable of clicking on other threads? Yes. I think you are an idiot with a IQ of 45 and about 12 functioning brain cells. :roll: Decent, average, what's the difference? But, as was brought up in the other thread (assuming you were able to click on it and read it) Volek has been in that system for 4 years and hasn't been hurt. Grossman has missed a majority of 3 seasons - there is only so much you can learn from a clipboard - and Griese is new to Chicago. It isn't exactly a new idea that Spurrier quarterbacks don't perform well in the NFL. It's not something I just came up with some night. the obvious connotation of your statement about Volek is he is a capable NFL QB. the obvious connotation of your statements about Grossman is he is not a capable NFL QB. Volek has been in the system, perhaps not hurt, but he also hasn't played. so I guess he must be vastly more capable of picking things up from a clipboard than Grossman is. you acknowledge the change over in the system in Chicago, but apparently don't take that into consideration when coming to the determination that Grossman isn't a worthy NFL QB. at this point you're just being argumentative and trying to get into a pissing match with me as evidenced by your eyeroll and the statements the eyeroll pertains to.

does anybody really think that NFL players are drafted based on college statistics? they are drafted based on tools assessed through scouting and the battery of tests they receive in pre-draft workouts and combines. that is why Wuerffel went in the fourth round after winning the Heismann. that is why Shane Mattews went undrafted. while I am fully aware that teams play games with measurements of players, Volek is listed at 6'2". Grossman at 6'1".

in order to perjure yourself, you actually have to lie, Mcgwire at the hearing never said anything and pleaded the 5th. this baseball investigation has no teeth whatsoever because the only thing the players are going to get after they say, yes i took steroids is, "thank you for your time" in order to perjure yourself, you have to be the subject of some legal procedure by the government. this is just an internal MLB investigation. there is no penalty other than banishment, and MLB won't do that, so their is no immunity to offer.

Not quite sure what you're trying to do with this considering I didn't bring up Billy Volek. do you think I am incapable of clicking on other threads? you just agreed in another thread that Volek is a decent QB. in this thread you say Grossman and Griese aren't NFL quarterbacks. I have no idea what criteria you are using to assess NFL quarterbacks other than who their college coach was. I suspect you just have something up your butt about the Bears and that is the basis for this entire discussion.

never mind. Billy Volek is good, Grossman and Griese aren't even NFL worthy. whatever.

who are you talking to?

something besides "I think." You do realize this is my opinion right? My personal view on the situation? Of course it's what I think. I have watched the Bears, maybe not as much as Bears fans have, but I have watched enough to get a fairly good opinion on their team. I stated my opinion and you disagree with it. That doesn't mean I'm making a strawman argument and it doesn't mean my argument is incorrect. the strawman argument was you arguing that the Bears aren't good enough to win the superbowl. nobody ever said they were. it went from 'the Bears should be concerned about their quarterback situation' to 'the Bears aren't good enough to win the Superbowl' with little explanation of why suddenly that was the issue. you do realize this is NSBB, right? generally we back up our opinions with arguments supported by, you know, evidence. I could keep saying "I think Juan Pierre is a great baseball player," but generally that doesn't fly around here without backing it up. this all started about five days ago when you chimed out of the blue into a discussion about the Bears running back situation with you've yet to back up your bleak assessment of the Bears quarterback situation with anything more than "I think." worse, re: Grossman it has gone from 'can he stay healthy and show what he can do' to 'I don't think he's a capable NFL QB.' I think Griese's career QB rating is on par with Tom Brady's. I think Rex Grossman hasn't played enough NFL football to make a full assessment of his abilities and that in the little he has played, he's had one NFL quality receiver to throw to in about two of those games. wait, check that, I don't think any of these things, I know all of these things and can back it up with verifiable evidence. thus, I think, considering how good the Bears defense and rushing game should be, their should be no real concern with the QB situation. and I'm just trying to flesh out issues and have a discussion here, you get pissy with me, I'm gonna get pissy right back.

wha-wha-wha-what? I guess I understand your argument now, but the top ranked scoring defense and second ranked yards defense returns all its starters and added a couple pieces. so if assuming incorrectly that the Bears defense is only "good" I guess I agree that the QB play won't be good enough. they won't be 2001 Ravens good, but they'll be alot better than I think you are giving them credit for. They'll have one of the top defenses in the league but I'm talking about all time. They aren't the 2001 Ravens. They aren't the 1985 Bears. I guarantee you that most people (i.e. non Bears fans) aren't going to remember the 2006 Bears defense like they do with those other two defenses. I don't think the Bears have a good enough defense to compensate for an average quarterback situation when they reach the playoffs. I don't think I'm undervaluing the Bears defense at all. I think they'll finish near or at the top in all the important defensive statistics. But that doesn't always parlay into a Super Bowl without a competant quarterback. so where is this conversation at? it started with a discussion about whether Grossman will be good enough to keep his job over Griese, after you said Griese will screw the Bears up in some way. to me that implies that the Bears will barely make the playoffs if at all, but then you conceded that they are a playoff team. somehow it has progressed into a strawman argument about whether the Bears are good enough to reach and win the Superbowl. I never said the Bears are a Superbowl contender. I think they have as good of a chance as any team in the NFC if some things go their way. I know you said earlier that they expect to win the Superbowl this year, but I don't know where that comes from. there are probably about 15 teams around football that have fan bases that expect them to win the Superbowl. as an organization, every team will put up the front that they expect to win the Superbowl. few expect to actually do so, and the moves the organization made in the offseason indicates to me that they believe they are still a year or two away. I'm just looking for a basis for discussion about the Bears QBs here. are you standing by the assertaion that Grossman is so bad he will be replaced by Griese by the halfway point and then Griese will screw things up, or are you saying the Bears QBs aren't good enough to win the Superbowl? there are two distinct assertions going on here, the former, I don't agree with, the later I don't think there is enough information to make such a prediction. if the later is your main point, it sort of obliterates the former as it implies the Bears QBs are good enough to get them to the playoffs, so I don't see why they should be all that concerned. I don't really like either Grossman or Griese as NFL quarterbacks. The Bears obviously like Griese as a solid backup because they wouldn't have picked him up otherwise. I don't think Grossman will perform well enough this year to keep his starting job, will make some bad mistakes that will lead to an average record to start the season, Griese will replace him and make mistakes of his own. It's a prediction. I don't think they are very good quarterbacks. What other explanation do I need to give you? something besides "I think."

wha-wha-wha-what? I guess I understand your argument now, but the top ranked scoring defense and second ranked yards defense returns all its starters and added a couple pieces. so if assuming incorrectly that the Bears defense is only "good" I guess I agree that the QB play won't be good enough. they won't be 2001 Ravens good, but they'll be alot better than I think you are giving them credit for. They'll have one of the top defenses in the league but I'm talking about all time. They aren't the 2001 Ravens. They aren't the 1985 Bears. I guarantee you that most people (i.e. non Bears fans) aren't going to remember the 2006 Bears defense like they do with those other two defenses. I don't think the Bears have a good enough defense to compensate for an average quarterback situation when they reach the playoffs. I don't think I'm undervaluing the Bears defense at all. I think they'll finish near or at the top in all the important defensive statistics. But that doesn't always parlay into a Super Bowl without a competant quarterback. so where is this conversation at? it started with a discussion about whether Grossman will be good enough to keep his job over Griese, after you said Griese will screw the Bears up in some way. to me that implies that the Bears will barely make the playoffs if at all, but then you conceded that they are a playoff team. somehow it has progressed into a strawman argument about whether the Bears are good enough to reach and win the Superbowl. I never said the Bears are a Superbowl contender. I think they have as good of a chance as any team in the NFC if some things go their way. I know you said earlier that they expect to win the Superbowl this year, but I don't know where that comes from. there are probably about 15 teams around football that have fan bases that expect them to win the Superbowl. as an organization, every team will put up the front that they expect to win the Superbowl. few expect to actually do so, and the moves the organization made in the offseason indicates to me that they believe they are still a year or two away. I'm just looking for a basis for discussion about the Bears QBs here. are you standing by the assertaion that Grossman is so bad he will be replaced by Griese by the halfway point and then Griese will screw things up, or are you saying the Bears QBs aren't good enough to win the Superbowl? there are two distinct assertions going on here, the former, I don't agree with, the later I don't think there is enough information to make such a prediction. if the later is your main point, it sort of obliterates the former as it implies the Bears QBs are good enough to get them to the playoffs, so I don't see why they should be all that concerned.

wha-wha-wha-what? I guess I understand your argument now, but the top ranked scoring defense and second ranked yards defense returns all its starters and added a couple pieces. so if assuming incorrectly that the Bears defense is only "good" I guess I agree that the QB play won't be good enough. they won't be 2001 Ravens good, but they'll be alot better than I think you are giving them credit for.

Not saying they will, but there are multiple teams that could put the Bears down 13-0 and keep them down. Also, don't forget that all it takes is a little luck as well. One tipped pass for a pick or one fumble recovery and you're in trouble. Not saying that's going to happen every game, but it could and you can't discount that possiblity. How about a team coming out on fire and running the right plays that the Bears don't expect and before you know it, the Bears are down 10 or 14 points. Seattle can run the ball all day with Shaun Alexander. They have a good enough passing game to get the job done and scored the most points in the league last year. Arizona has, quite possibly, the best WR combo in the league with Fitzgerald and Boldin and added Edge to that offense. The Giants have a solid offense with Manning/Barber/Burress/Toomer that can put up a ton of points. New England has a solid offense and I fully expect Corey Dillion to have a solid comeback year. Tom Brady also had probably the best season of his career last year. St. Louis has a solid offense with Bulger/Bruce/Holt/Jackson and can put up points quickly as well. Not saying that each team will steamroll the Bears but I'm saying that it could happen. I expect the Bears to go 10-6 or 11-5 this but think they will get bounced from the playoffs in their first game. but that could be said of any team in any year. any team that relies on ubber QB to throw his way to comeback victory is in trouble. I don't disagree with your assessment of what the Bears will do during the regular season, but I think they win a playoff game or two, assuming the defense shows up. keep in mind that the Bears first round exit last year had more to do with defensive failings than with QB play. the Bears QB is expected to put up 18-21 points a game without alot of mistakes. both are perfectly capable of doing that. the Bears QB play is way low on the list of concerns. rush blocking by the O-line, nickel back (and non-Vasher CB play in general) and getting healthy is the main concern. that and keeping Mike Brown healthy all year as IMO he is more important to the Bears than any other single player.

Different sporting events, different atmospheres. I'm going to go nuts at the Bruin Den at Pauley or the Rose Bowl, but that's to be expected (and I'll still watch the game). But this sort of going nuts has nothing to do with the wave, which is stupid. Leave the wave to Dodger fans. People show emotion at the Rose Bowl? It seems like they are always sitting on their hands to me. The students show emotion! especially on January 1, 1994 and January 1, 1999 when it was aka Camp Randall West. :lol:

if I did bat against Acevedo, I doubt I reached base against him. his high school owned us. iirc, 8 games over two years, we went 0-8 and had 7 losses by slaughter rule. my biggest accomplishment against them was taking a bad hop liner off my shoulder and still getting the out, leaving the game because I couldn't feel my arm, and using the rest of my time to steal their signs.

I hate him because he is a showboater for the Cubs biggest rival. if he showboats for the Cubs and still makes the plays and does't get hurt by showboating, I couldn't give a damn. even if he declines even more next year, he is better than any non-creative option, and Hendry is not capable of creativity, so why not.

Was this directed at me or USSocccer? Either way, I'm not very high on Grossman and have never been high on him. I don't think he's that good of a quarterback which is why I'm never surprised when he doesn't play well. Because of this doubt, I predicted Griese would become the starter before the Bears play Miami. When you have a decent backup quarterback it gives you the option of replacing your starter if need be. So I'm not a Bears fan, what does that matter? That I can't offer my opinion on the team? FWIW, my dad is a Bears fan so I do follow them a little more than other NFL teams. you are predicting Grossman will screw it up and Griese will become starter, and earlier in the thread you said Giese will screw it up. sure its fine to offer an opinion, but it doesn't seem to be offering an opinion. it seems more like baseless predictions of doom and gloom. the Bears are not quarterback centric. the team is designed to win with defense and rushing. all the quarterback has to do is not screw things up and maybe make a play or two in a game here and there. they won a lot of ballgames with terrible QB and special teams play last year. they return 22 starters. why suddenly they should be all that concerned with their QB when the two they have to go with are exponentially better than the one they had last year is a mystery to me. Did I say this pages ago because I didn't say it recently? If I did, thanks for reminding me. To defend that point, I'm not a big fan of either quarterback. What is wrong with thinking Grossman will screw up, Griese will become a starter and won't play well either? It's not necessarily doom and gloom. I do think they will make the playoffs but you saw what happened last year right? 17-41 for 192 against Carolina. IIRC, Grossman at one point was something like 2-12 with 20 yds or something like that. If that team gets behind, and believe me they will at some point, they will have to throw the ball and rely on their quarterback - something I wouldn't be too confident in if I was a Bears fan. last tuesday you said so you're very welcome for the reminder. I will make the bold prediction right now that the Bears falling behind 13-0 will be a rarity this year, and when they do, only one team in football will have Steve Smith to keep driving a dagger in the Bears chances. they will not have to rely on throwing the ball in such occassions because their defense is perfectly capable of throwing a second half shutout. you're basing your assessment of Grossman based on what? his 8 professional starts? further, you are placing way too much emphasis on one game. consider: it was his second or third game back from injury it was his first playoff game Carolina has a great defense Maynard sucked all game giving them crappy field position iirc, the receivers dropped something like ten passes. despite Steve Smith's antics, Grossman had them within 2 points early in the fourth quarter.

And yet, the sad thing is...Dusty doesn't see where he has done anything wrong. I FULLY believe that the Prior of 2003-05, WILL in time return. I know I am being annoying oppesmistic, but I really believe Prior will eventually return to form. Dusty remembers when pitchers threw 300 innings a year and darn it these guys should be able to do it too. someone send him a memo that the umps now call a strikezone half the size as in those days. there's lots of arguments about why pitchers used to be able to throw alot more innings than pitchers now. I think the size of the strikezone now compared to when 300 IP was normal has alot to do with it. if baseball wants to even out the balance between pitching and hitting, which they don't, they will enforce the high strike.

Was this directed at me or USSocccer? Either way, I'm not very high on Grossman and have never been high on him. I don't think he's that good of a quarterback which is why I'm never surprised when he doesn't play well. Because of this doubt, I predicted Griese would become the starter before the Bears play Miami. When you have a decent backup quarterback it gives you the option of replacing your starter if need be. So I'm not a Bears fan, what does that matter? That I can't offer my opinion on the team? FWIW, my dad is a Bears fan so I do follow them a little more than other NFL teams. you are predicting Grossman will screw it up and Griese will become starter, and earlier in the thread you said Giese will screw it up. sure its fine to offer an opinion, but it doesn't seem to be offering an opinion. it seems more like baseless predictions of doom and gloom. the Bears are not quarterback centric. the team is designed to win with defense and rushing. all the quarterback has to do is not screw things up and maybe make a play or two in a game here and there. they won a lot of ballgames with terrible QB and special teams play last year. they return 22 starters. why suddenly they should be all that concerned with their QB when the two they have to go with are exponentially better than the one they had last year is a mystery to me.

What did I do now? my mistake. confussed the two of you.

just some impressions... Rex seemed to make all the right decisions, move well in the pocket and do just about everything well. just wasn't accurate with the ball. very strange. accuracy has never been a problem for him (USS...as a Raiders fan and presumably one who doesn't care about the Bears, I don't understand your strange obsession with Griese). I wonder if all the downfield contact the refs let the niners get away with threw off his rythm or what. I think he'll be fine. for a veteran unit that is supposed to be coming together, the O-line looked terrible in its run blocking, minus the overrated Kruetz or not. I liked Pope. toe on the line or not, that was a helluva play. and for the record, that wasn't a screen pass. a screen pass has blocking and is designed to get 8 yards or so. that was a regular old swing pass, designed to get 4 yards unless the receiver avoids some tackles...in other words, an even worse call. Davis looked great. why put a guy with hands like that on the defense when they were so short on receivers? would have liked to seen him in the slot last year. I hope Vash is ok, and Peanut comes to the realization that not every receiver is Steve Smith. no need to keep turning and running on the snap every play, but that is by design (prevent the deep ball), so its hard to fault him.

tried to find the guy on the cube but couldn't, although he had a Polish last name I can't pronounce much less spell and I don't know what high school he went to, so that makes it difficult. maybe what I heard about him was greatly exaggerated. there's probably a good chance he never graduated high school so was only scouted and not drafted. whatever the case, I can vouch that the guy could throw a softball in the mid to upper 90's easily and wasted his talent. one thing I did find out while perusing the cube in my search is there is a chance I batted against a future major leaguer. Juan Acevedo was born the same year as I and attended a high school in my conference. who knows if he was in the US and at an age appropriate grade as a freshman and sophomore, but if he was, I batted against him.

you'd think after the SI article the kid would be ready to turn the corner. it's a damn shame. I knew a guy just like him. choice of scholarship to Ohio State for football or go into the Yankees system as a pitcher. instead he chose to do lots of cocaine and hold up convenient stores.

probably pushing it too much, but I'd like to know if there is truth to the rumor that he can get out of Fla if offered a job with the Cubs.

I'm not opposed to a 1 year deal, I'm very skeptical of anything beyong that. I guess I feel about him similar (but differently) to how I feel about Soriano or Lee. They aren't my first choices, but they are better than what's here, so I'm not going to cry if they are brought in. I still say move Jones to center (unless you can trade him). who are your first options? I was thinking about Soriano as we watch the Brewers series. I have to believe Soriano's walk rate this year is some sort of a fluke, which makes me think that signing Bill Hall and sticking him in left would give you the same production you could expect out of Soriano and for about 8-10 M less per year, and for less years. they're virtually the same player minus the stolen bases. not a top option for me either, but a much wiser use of payroll than signing Soriano.