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    Adbert Alzolay is on Twitter, Pleading for the Life of His Country. It's Your Job to Listen.


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    What do we owe to each other? Sometimes, we're helpless to change the big, bad things of the world, but when we take as much from a place as baseball fans have taken from Venezuela, part of what we owe in return is our attention and our effort.

    There is an unfortunate tendency, in the United States, to think about much of the rest of the world as less cultured or civilized. That assumption is racist and xenophobic, and it's also objectively wrong. To wit: don't assume, merely because nothing material is being done about it, that there's massive ambiguity or confusion about what happened in Venezuela's recent national elections. On Jul. 28, millions of voters went to the polls in that nation, and its robust computerized voting tabulation system yielded reasonably clear results. President Nicolas Maduro lost, according to the best data that has made it out into the international public sphere, by a wide margin. Opposition challenger Edmundo González Urrutia won, and should be president right now.

    Instead, Gonzalez and his party are under a new investigation, instigated by Maduro's top prosecutor. The government has upended the will of the Venezuelan people and declared Maduro the winner, wielding fake or manipulated election results as a cudgel. Mass protests are underway, but the government is powerful and ruthless, and the international community (whether stretched too thin by the ongoing conflicts in Ukraine and the Middle East, or unwilling to engage in any infringement on national sovereignty, even in what seems like an egregious breach of that privilege) has not mustered any meaningful intervention.

    At what must be the most difficult moment of his young life, Cubs reliever Adbert Alzolay is speaking up. In a series of tweets over the last several days, he's drawing attention back to this issue over and over, even as he braces for career-threatening Tommy John surgery. 

    Please notice that the above is in English. Alzolay tweeted and retweeted multiple things about the election and the ensuing unrest in the days before that post, but on Monday, he turned his message toward his English-speaking followers. Nor was it only that one post.

    We know, of course, that athletes are not politicians, and that many of them carry deeply confused or flawed political opinions. Like the rest of us, they are prone to statements that might be too strong, or self-interested. What Alzolay is trying to tell his (predominantly) American followers, though, is worth hearing and passing on, not as an endorsement of González or of any particular political ideology, but because it boils down to a simple truth: wrong was done here. This isn't right, and attention needs to be paid. The wrong won't be righted unless and until the world tunes in.

    The Carter Center issued a strong statement about the elections, back on Jul. 30. Do not, under any circumstances, take Alzolay's word for what happened, but do know that the international diplomatic and human rights advocacy community backs him up on it.

    We can not change the outcome of the Venezuelan elections. Paradoxically, though, it is our duty as baseball fans to try. It is our duty, as fans of Alzolay and Willson Contreras, of Luis Arráez and Ronald Acuña Jr., of Johan Santana and Dave Concepcion, to repay what we have gotten from Venezuela, by caring about the people who still live there (or who are fleeing, sometimes for their lives) in the same way we have chosen to care about the few who have come into our lives through this channel of entertainment. Call or email your Congressional representative. Talk to others about this developing crisis. And keep listening, to Alzolay and others who speak up about it.


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    Sammy Sofa

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    You're still bootlicking when all you do is just switch to another pair of boots; supporting the dictator still ain't it, chief.

    You're trying to dismiss the challenges to Maduro's election fraud as fringe Right Wing hype, which it just objectively is not. You're dismissing the possibility that Maduro is unpopular enough to have a huge majority voting against him seemingly just because you don't like the vibes (like, you're dismissing every single outlet or person that has anything anti-Maduro to say or evidence against him as being "CIA." Super normal and productive!)

    Again, you still can't offer up anything to justify what Maduro has done is doing beyond "he's not back the US."

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    Sammy Sofa

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    Tom, you're preaching to the choir about the history of US colonialism in the Global South; none of that justifies what Maduro has done and is doing to the people he should be protecting and helping. None of the sanctions are forcing him to be this corrupt and damaging; that's all his own choice. He is actively the biggest immediate threat to the Venzuelean people, and you're still always just dancing around that your only shred of support for him is that he flips off the US.

    He's not an actual Leftist or socialist. Socialism should be a replacement for capitalism, not any kind of democracy.

    I mean, the actual Venezuelan Leftists are at odds with him:

    https://english.elpais.com/international/2023-04-28/the-fallout-between-venezuelas-communist-party-and-the-maduro-regime.html

    https://latinoamerica21.com/en/maduros-government-intervenes-even-in-the-venezuelan-communist-party/

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/03/11/venezuela-elections-maduro-chavism-left-socialism-communist-party/

    https://www.marxist.com/maduro-accuses-left-cp-party-being-agents-imperialism.htm

    https://efe.com/en/latest-news/2023-11-29/venezuelan-communists-fear-maduro-will-suspend-presidential-election-over-guyana-dispute/

    https://peoplesworld.org/article/split-between-venezuelas-communists-and-maduros-ruling-party-deepens/

    I'm done with you over this until you stop refusing to see that wanting him out isn't some tacit endorsement of Venezuela falling under the thumb of the US; it's wanting out a corrupt, jumped up dictator willfully oppressing his people and doing everything he can to illegitimately stay in power. Approx. 8 million people have fled the country since 2015, so please don't insult everyone's intelligence trying to say that's only due to US sanctions.

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    Sammy Sofa

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    Maduro is absolutely 10000000% the source of what Venezuelans are going through right now. Stop horsefeathers squinting and trying to "well, akshually" through the horsefeathers sands of time to downplay the horsefeathers he's doing.

    He disappears his enemies, he denies there's any humanitarian crises in Venezuela, dismisses people who have fled as cowards, mocks starving people, and refuses humanitarian aid. Consistent medical care and education have practically vanished under his regime. Reliable power and clean water is an increasing rarity outside of Maduro urban strongholds.

    Dismissing getting rid of the source of all of this as a "minute/short term influx" is horsefeathers insane and just emphasizes how unserious a person you are.

    https://www.thenewhumanitarian.org/analysis/2024/06/25/hunger-healthcare-schools-reasons-leave-venezuela-maduro-poll-win

    Sammy Sofa

    Posted (edited)

    "No, what you don't see is that this very bad thing Maduro is doing is actually a very good thing!"

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    Sammy Sofa

    Posted (edited)

    Guys, starving your own population to death to own the Global North is just how you build good character.

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    Sammy Sofa

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    Imagine seeing the scope of what Venezuelans are willing to risk to try and vote out Maduro and dismissing it all as, "nah, that's just the CIA doing CIA things!"

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/10/gonzalez-proof-win-venezuela-election-vote-tally-maduro

    People are getting snatched up and vanishing for setting up these safeguards and this information network, and dipshit foreign Tankies (yet again, actual Leftists IN horsefeathers VENEZUELA hate Maduro at this point) just handwave it all away because to them it can never graduate beyond the level of "Maduro good because he makes US big mad!"

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/10/world/americas/venezuela-election-maduro.html

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    The Venezuelan government has mounted a furious campaign against anyone challenging the declared results of the vote, unleashing a wave of repression that human rights groups say is unlike anything the country has seen in recent decades.

     

    “I have been documenting human rights violations in Venezuela for many years and have seen patterns of repression before,” said Carolina Jiménez Sandoval, president of the Washington Office on Latin America, an advocacy and research organization. “I don’t think I have ever seen this ferocity.”

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    The Venezuelan government says it has arrested more than 2,000 people for participating in protests disputing the election results.

     
     

    People were taken both in indiscriminate roundups, amid the protests, and later from their homes in targeted arrests, as the government launched what it called “Operation Knock-Knock,” according to interviews with family members and human rights activists documenting the detentions.

    The surge in detentions is particularly alarming, rights groups say, because some arrests came after the president urged his supporters to snitch on their neighbors, using a government app that was supposed to be used to report issues like downed power lines.

    “Maximum punishment! Justice!” Mr. Maduro said at a rally last Saturday. “There will be no forgiveness this time!”

     

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    Sammy Sofa

    Posted

    2 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

    - Yes it is the CIA doing CIA things. Where do you think they got the resources, level of coordination, and global amplification?

    - Literally in that article lol:

     

    You are yet again doing the whole "THOSE people couldn't possibly be capable of doing these things!" horsefeathers you've been spouting the whole time, so no surprise there.

    Sammy Sofa

    Posted

    Just gish galloping all over the place with babeh's first foreign policy takes.

    Sammy Sofa

    Posted

    Yup, you've got it all figured out.

    javy knows my name

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    On 8/9/2024 at 3:55 PM, TomtheBombadil said:

    Most I’m saying America influences every single political action on the planet either directly or indirectly, and most of that influence is in the direction of violence of all varieties, fake business, oppressive economics…Venezuela deserves better than Maduro, the opposition wouldn’t be it (even if, temporarily, it would seem so), and everyone on the planet would be best served if states and money were returned to and forever stuck in some European’s imagination 

    This is an audacious "horsefeathers you" to millions of people who VOTED OUT A DICTATOR and are still suffering under his rule. You're infuriating

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    Sammy Sofa

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    I genuinely hope you have someone to talk to. This is the kind of all-encompassing paranoia that leads to some truly crushing depression.

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    Sammy Sofa

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    That's the rub; when you've constructed an enemy that is globally all-encompassing and comic book super scientist-levels of hyper-competent, the endpoint is being crushed emotionally/psychologically by this omnipresent Thing that can't ever be escaped or beaten.

    Like, your vision of what the US and the CIA are capable of would essentially be impossible to defeat. Every example of evidence to the contrary of what you believe is dismissed as some variation of "the CIA did it," which effectively acts like they have the power to control literally everything and anyone at any time. You describe them like they are capable of doing whatever they want to do, to the point that they flawlessly control the entire global media narrative and economic relationship towards Venezuela (I mean, if they're THAT powerful, why don't they just take the country over?).

    And don't get it twisted; this isn't explaining away the awful horsefeathers the the US has done and continues to do. But, at the same time, the answer also isn't explaining away the cartoonishly corrupt actions of an obvious dictator, and especially not flat out saying that the people suffering under him just need to suck it up until a governing alternative that YOU find palatable comes along.

    This has already gotten bad enough to the point that you're carrying water for truly awful people and completely willing to ignore the people suffering because of them. That doesn't help anyone, and in the end it'll just drag you down, too, because the reality you've constructed for yourself will be too awful to deal with.

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    Sammy Sofa

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    Bull horsefeathers. You dismiss literally anything and everything the runs contrary to the narrative that Maduro won or is the better option for Venezuela as the work of the CIA/US.

    It's typical conspiracy theorist spiraling: the enemy is simultaneously the greatest and most powerful villains, but also weak and incompetent and easily exposed.

    Your only standard is whether or not someone is sufficiently anti-US for you. You don't give a goddamn at all about what that person is actually doing.

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    Sammy Sofa

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    I support Maduro being out of power. The liberal opposition isn't ideal, but it's sure as horsefeathers better than how he's been willfully running the country into the ground and grinding his people under his heel. At least with Machado and Gonzalez Venezuelans would have a chance for something, horsefeathers ANYTHING better than what Mauro has reduced them to.

    And you dismiss literally any source from anywhere in the world you don't like as being controlled by the CIA. That's propping them up to a level they neither deserve nor are capable of.

    Now, shut up and quit talking about that stuff because you've just said the same thing a bajillion times over. Just answer me this: if we could wave a magic wand and magically lift all of the US sanctions right now, do you truly believe Maduro is the person who could turn things around? If so...why? What is his track record makes you believe he has any interest beyond benefiting himself and staying in power by any means necessary?

     

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    Sammy Sofa

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    1 minute ago, TomtheBombadil said:

    Neoliberal…privatization is a neoliberal thing 

    I don't give a horsefeathers about the semantics; liberals and neoliberals are the same turds to me.

    Now answer the question: if the sanctions were lifted, why do you think Maduro would do the right thing instead of continuing to raid the country's resources as his own piggybank like he's obviously been doing the entire horsefeathers time he's been in office?

    Why is a dictator who has driven away nearly 30% of the country's population via his oppression and corruption the better option right now?

    Sammy Sofa

    Posted

    Modern liberals are just conservatives; quit being such a nerd.

    And you won't answer the question be cause you know Maduro is horsefeathers awful and you're trying to damndest to not out and out defend him since anyone not completely lying to themselves can see he is horsefeathers awful and is horrible for Venezuela. He is literally indefensible, but Tankies can't help themselves (you've repeatedly done the same sort of thing with Ukraine & Russia, too).

    The driving force is Maduro is using the country's dwindling finances for himself; he's run the oil industry into the ground because it's run only by his cronies. If he actually wanted to make money for Venezuela via their oil industry he could! The vast majority of the world has no sanctions against Venezuela. This isn't at all to excuse what the US is doing, but it's the truth (yes, we all know you'll just claim some version of "the US/CIA will just lean on/manipulate anyone who deals with them) is that a non-corrupt version of their state run-oil industry could easily make money for the people. Iran, NK, Russia, Turkey, Cuba, Mexico, Colombia and Brazil alone are all ride or die for Venezuela; where do you think the money for the oil from them is going?

    Sammy Sofa

    Posted

    Yeah, you're a horsefeathers useless Tankie who supports corrupt totalitarian governments that brutalize their own people (and their neighbors) so long as they do it with enough anti-US/West gusto.

    Later, dingus.

    imb

    Posted

    damn i always knew tom was an idiot, i didn't realize he was a traitor too

    Sammy Sofa

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    Wait, did you even read that Nation article?

    What do you think any of us here disagree with in it?

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    The Maduro Government Is Probably Stealing the Election in Venezuela

    Tom, blink twice if you can read this.

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    Let Latin Americans, both leaders and ordinary people, continue responding to the crisis. And, for once, let Venezuelans themselves make their own history.

    Venezuelans and other Latin American countries are the ones who either tried to vote him out, are protesting against him now, or saying that he needs to step down. *YOU'RE* the one dismissing all of that by saying it's just manufactured or manipulated actions by the US.

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    Sammy Sofa

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    2 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

    The part where he says the US, and its uninterested population of passively racist and paternal slaves, should buzz off and let the region and nation develop on its own. You know: with the same dignity we were given during the centuries it took to acknowledge brown, black, and indigenous populations as humans and not fodder for our use 

    Again, *YOU* are the one  wailing that the will of the Venezuelan people should be denied simply because you don't like the result.

    Oh, hey, here's The Nation's latest take:

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    Ten days since the vote, there can be little doubt that Maduro lost his bid at reelection and that his government intends to remain in power, defying the will of Venezuelan voters. The evidence is partly in the continued refusal by electoral authorities to release precinct level data for public scrutiny, as it has speedily done in previous elections and as the law requires, or to offer proof of what it claims is a “brutal hacking campaign” targeting its election system. Evidence also lies in the opposition’s own online platform’s hosting copies of what appear to be over 80 percent of precinct returns giving opposition candidate Edmundo Gonzalez a two-to-one margin of victory. And it lies in public statements by governments otherwise friendly to Chavismo—in Brazil, Colombia, and Mexico—conditioning recognition on an independent audit of the results announced by the National Electoral Council.

    But perhaps the strongest evidence is in the streets. In the days since Maduro’s putative victory, sometimes violent but more often peaceful protests broke out throughout Venezuela. Unlike prior rounds of post-electoral unrest largely involving stalwart opposition supporters among the country’s middle classes, these protests began in areas where Chavismo has long held sway, in the barrios and popular sectors at the heart of Chávez’s political project. To date, clashes with security forces have claimed nearly two dozen lives and led to more than 1,000 arrests.

     

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    imb

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    40 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

    you couldn’t give a half horsefeathers for Venezuelans or “South America” 

    you are pro-maduro

    Sammy Sofa

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    Oh, oh Tom. Poor, poor Tom:

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    Officials blame outside agitators trained in Texas. But to believe that is to willfully ignore what the last decade has wrought in Venezuela and what it has meant for Chavismo’s once powerful, majoritarian popular appeal. In the years since taking office, Maduro has diverted dwindling resources from declining oil prices to an inner circle of supporters, especially in the military and security apparatus, to shore up government control. That has meant slashing or outright eliminating social programs and participatory mechanisms that were hallmarks of Chavismo.

    As discontent from grassroots Chavistas grew into protests, Maduro responded with special police operations nominally aimed at fighting crime and that targeted urban youth, resulting in thousands of extrajudicial killings intended to keep barrios at bay. More recently, in a bid to combat hyperinflation and capitalize on remittances from over 7 million Venezuelan migrants abroad, Maduro dollarized the country’s economy, leaving those with minimal access to meager state support or remittance income to fend for themselves.

    To be sure, US sanctions have exacerbated Venezuela’s crisis. But they are not its cause nor do they explain why sectors loyal to the government for 25 years turned away from it at the polls. Instead it is the combination of austerity, corruption, repression, and dollarization under Maduro, all of it hitting Chavismo’s historic bases of support, that for the first time swung the presidency to the opposition.

    What’s Next for the Left in Venezuela? | The Nation

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    Sammy Sofa

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    11 minutes ago, TomtheBombadil said:

    False, I’m saying the US has zero credibility and what is Venezuela’s should remain Venezuela’s. That I don’t back some candidate paid by and lobbying for US and European energy interests is not a stance against the Venezuelan people 

    The Venezuelan people overwhelmingly voted for that candidate; spouting fringe conspiracy theories that run in the face of a mountain of evidence to the contrary amounts to you throwing an ideologically adrift tantrum at this point.

    They want Maduro gone, and he's stealing their will, their money, their freedom and their lives.

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