Magnetic Curses

2 hours ago, UMFan83 said:

At least a little interesting that Kliff swerved last minute and appears to be taking the Commanders job now?

I could see Poles overthinking this and trade down 1 spot if he can get a 2025 1st and taking Maye

Nothing is finalized, but I can see the Commanders grabbing Kliff because of either QB. Drake ran the Air Raid at UNC as well, so it fits both. Personally, I like Drake and think he's a franchise QB. The Commanders would be well-served to take Drake and use their bounty of picks to surround him with talent. Which I think they will do while the Bears head off into the sunset with Caleb.

I do trust Poles. He's not stupid. He's done a desperate thing here and there, but he's not going to overthink this. He was on the parade bus with Mahomes, he knows what that looks like.

On 1/25/2024 at 12:49 PM, PosterToBeNamedLater said:

I'm a little more than halfway through this, but I have liked this so far.  I do hope we draft Williams.  

 

yeah, this is great. gets me excited but also makes me nervous that we won't take him. good thing Cunningham is there to give Poles another voice of reason.

On 1/22/2024 at 9:04 PM, jersey cubs fan said:

Absolutely more than a crapshoot. They’ll probably never get a better chance than with the #1 pick in the 2024 draft. Fields is an average NFL QB, when taking into account all the guys that actually play, but well below the difference makers on successful teams. It’s not that hard to get better than him. Tampa and Detroit did with castoffs. Maybe Fields turns into somebody else’s reclamation success story. Probably not.
 

If they do manage to trade out and surround fields with studs aplenty, they might succeed. But it won’t last, because youll have to pay him more than he’s worth to keep him if he’s so reliant on the supporting cast. 

How good is Fields if he must be surrounded with a #superteam?

he has trouble throwing on time from the pocket and the game hasn't slowed down for him one bit. It has nothing to do with him playing in a scheme that fits him because every scheme in the NFL will require the QB to throw on time. Most of his amazing plays are just him solving problems that he himself creates.

you keep him in the pocket by sending your edge defenders straight up the field, play zone, and run some exotic blitzes that he of course won't recognize.

the Caleb vs. Fields argument is so depressing.

I mean, this could all go sideways, of course, but I really think Fields has a Josh Allen ascendancy.

3700 yards passing

35 TDs/13 INTs

1,000 yards rushing (1068 to be exact)

Passer rating: 107

8.3 sack %

65% completion percentage. (Allen had a worse completion percentage than Fields in his 2nd year, a fantastic one in his third year, far above what he's done since. If Fields improves it at the rate Allen did, it would have been +70%.

That's my high end prediction. I think it's very possible and if it happens, the Bears will win 12 games, easy.

1 hour ago, Old Style said:

Why did I know somebody would do this? I was literally thinking it as I wrote the name.

glad i never really got into Tiger-less golf.

im sure it's been asked but what do we think we're getting from Claypool this year?

4 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

Meant given Poles actions it appears getting to the QB is not a priority hence, the question about his knowledge of the defensive scheme.

I was just saying it's weird what he's doing and I don't agree with it 

11 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

Does Poles know this?

Ah yes. He'd know better than I, of course.

30 minutes ago, gflore34 said:

There was an earlier posting regarding the Chiefs improvement on defense being correlated with a good secondary and linebackers.  Appears Poles is a very big believer in the idea of the defense starting from the back to front rather than front to back.  if they improve on stopping the run we may see the benefits of strong secondary helping the pass rush.

If this was Fangio's system, I'd agree. He liked to have lock down man corners so he could dial up exotic blitzes.

But this is Tampa-2, it starts up front.

19 minutes ago, bukie said:

At this point I'm curious if the Bears are just going to forgo rushing the QB entirely, becoming the first defense to drop into an 11 player zone.

well, they went without pass protection last year because apparently "everything cannot be fixed.

14 hours ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

I will say this.  I definitely think Fields has been overrated to this point.  He wasn't just failed by the offense, he also failed the offense.  It was an ouroboros of suck, he dragged down the WRs and OL just as much as they dragged him down.  The most important skill an NFL QB has, the one that ultimately decides success or failure, is the ability to make a snapshot read of the field and quickly deliver the ball to optimal spot.  I do not think Fields has yet demonstrated that he can do that consistently.

Sorry, I was leading up to a "but" but the doom boner got away from me.

BUT, the upside is every bit as real as the downside and if I have to bet one way or the other, I think he has a breakout season.  He hasn't proven he *can't* do the snapshot reads either, his work ethic and intelligence are excellent, and his non-passing tools are such an absolute cheat code that it gives him a lot of margin for error.

I don't think his ascension is 100% guaranteed. I've also seen some clips from various games where he makes quick reads, finds the open man, and he looks like an excellent QB. 

The problem is that he's never been a high volume thrower, he's never thrown screen passes and he hasn't shown that he's good at it at all. The positive is that he's actually incredibly accurate on the longer throws, which is amazing.

Personally, my opinion is that he changes the way the game is played. His ability to run and escape should keep defenses on their heels and make it very easy for him, if he can relax in the pocket.

Man, people do not like it when you question anything about Poles and Flussy.

1 hour ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

But the delusion is crazy. I've legit seen people think that the tank and build foundation thing is actually some simple and foolproof process.

 

Example:

You all just aren't willing to SACRIFICE

I hate Deeks's sentiment. To me, it's sports virtue-signalling.

These players we're waiting for will just be ready to produce when the 2022 2nd rounders are reaching FA. It's not that simple.

I'll applaud Poles for making some skill-player acquisitions, I still like Claypool, and Moore is a stud, but I'm not ready to forgive him for what he put Fields through last season. This isn't a rebuild in a bubble, Fields is our most important player in the last 30+ years, and maybe ever. If he's not developed right, this whole rebuild is for nothing. Subjecting him to snap after snap of Mustipher at C and Patrick at G (in place of Jenkins even when he was healthy) was a war crime.

yeah, i'd rather have Chase Brown that DHop. I think Fields is good enough to excel with what he has.

On 5/3/2023 at 5:03 PM, raw said:

I do think Roquan is better than Edmunds, but it's pretty close. I do think Smith has limited upside (size related) and Edmunds is trending upward (and has Urlacher upside in this scheme). PFF has historically not liked Roquan very much, but he and Edmunds have gone back and forth on who's graded higher each year.  2022 was the best year for both, but Edmunds scored a decent bit higher. IIRC, Edmunds coverage numbers dwarfed Roquan this year.

I think Edmunds's height gives him an advantage as a MIKE. he'll be better at covering that role even though Roquan is also really good in coverage.

2 hours ago, jersey cubs fan said:

7 wins is 10 losses. If that’s not hugely disappointing I don’t know what is. 

i don't really think people understand how good Fields can be.

Like to see this

https://twitter.com/Sulleymon/status/1652214350952710146?t=JGeKNKw3FFtYQ2U_XAtcJQ&s=19

3 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

i beat you to it tho

2 minutes ago, Magnetic Curses said:

Benton should be there

or not

3 minutes ago, UK said:

If I'm the Bears, I try and trade up for Benton.

Benton should be there

3 minutes ago, Tim said:

I want Adebawore more than any other player left on the board, but I don't think we have to move that high to get him.

if we're going with high upside toolsy raw and risky players, I prefer Keion White for some reason, but Adebawore seems ok too

2 minutes ago, jersey cubs fan said:

can Greg do this?

I heard a stuntman made Greg pass out and crap his pants once.

3 hours ago, jersey cubs fan said:

How do we post a poll? I’d be curious to see how many people think the bears will draft a qb in the first round next season. I think the odds are higher than whatever the baseline assumption is. Poles has been so cautious while building this team, and is set up to either draft very early if Fields shits the bed, or at least trade up toward the top if he’s okay but not good enough to overcome a garbage defense. 
 

technically they’ve given Fields the weapons (although rb remains weak), and line help, but they haven’t done what Philly, Jax, or Miami did for their QBs. It’s been measured. I’ve thought the way he ran the first offseason was a huge disservice to Fields. And everything he’s done this offseason leaves open the possibility they go in a new direction as soon as next April. 

i don't know about that. i mean, they could go in a new direction in April, but he seems pretty set on providing Fields with immediate weapons and just got him a plug-and-play pass protector. Yes, I'm now a believer. Darnell Wright was the tipping point.

I think last offseason was absolutely a disservice to Fields, though. But Fields somehow survived and electrified crowds.