What on earth does that include, if not pitch framing? I have him at 18% CS as a Cub, and the wild pitches look bad when you take into account the fact he's caught fewer innings than most on the list. The fact that he was worth 2 wins in 113 games and that doesn't take into account pitch framing even a little. Hm? I was just talking about the "obvious" defensive things like throwing and blocking. I'm not doubting he's a useful player, and I'm also not poo-pooing framing, either, as I do believe in that. I was just commenting on how bad he is at those obvious things while being such a good framer.