Fred Hornkohl

Forgive me if this sounds unkind, but one thing you are not is grounded in reality. Why would you say that? After reading several strawman arguments based on imposible premises, I believe I've accurately charachertized your recent work on this board.

Since when? Here's what I've got for 2006....... total dates average CUBS 1,712,696 43 39,830 sox 1,676,841 47 35,677

Forgive me if this sounds unkind, but one thing you are not is grounded in reality.

Using a stretched out extreme example negates any value in your example. It's pretty interesting to note that in nearly everyone of your diatribes about what is and is not worthwhile, you use extreme examples that have no basis in reality. I use extreme examples because it easier to see my point. So let's use a real life example. The Cubs sign somebody who has a .400 OBP, and bat him 7th. He gets on base 40 percent of the time, but he dies on first because Neifi and the pitcher strike out everytime he is on base. So this guy never scores even though he gets on base a great deal. If you moved him to 2nd in the order though in front of Lee, this person would be driven in 30 percent of the time. Therefore, run production would go up. How do you account for the fact that Neifi Perez has arguably been our best RBI man this year ??? Percentage of baserunners driven in 04/03 - 07/18 BDI LOB RBI% Restovich 1 2 0.333 Perez 20 59 0.253 Blanco 15 45 0.250 Walker 31 96 0.244 Jones 33 112 0.228 Barrett 26 89 0.226 Ramirez 37 136 0.214 Murton 23 103 0.183 Lee 10 55 0.154 Nevin 9 51 0.150 Mabry 6 36 0.143 Bynum 4 25 0.138 Cedeno 20 130 0.133 Hairston 4 27 0.129 Pagan 2 16 0.111 Pierre 12 101 0.106 Womack 1 14 0.067 Theriot 0 3 0.000 CUBS 267 1172 0.186

Say, doesn't Clemens weigh twice what Maddux weighs? :lol: Maybe Fred can plot body mass against ERA for us. Oy vay ist mir !!

Ozzie is an uncouth, abrasive, obnoxious, bigoted, foul-mouthed idiot. Which is understandable. Don't hold back, Vance..... tell us how you really feel !! :wink:

My grandfather was also born in 1890. He married my grandmother on the date that would have been the 7th game of the 1918 World Series, but alas, the CUBS managed to lose to Boston in 6. He recalled hearing of the 2 championships in '07 & '08, although he didn't arrive in this country until 1910. He was acquainted with the Wrigley family and did some work for them over the years, including designing PK's residence in Lake Geneva, and some minor renovations at the ball park. Interestingly enough, my geandfather also had occaision to meet Bill Veeck in the 70's, and was quite taken in with his engaging personality. He became quite a fan of the Sox before he died. I never did understand that.

Worthless stats of the day for Wednesday...... CUBS are 7-7 on Wednesdays CUBS are 3-7 vs. Houston CUBS are 24-23 vs. the NLC Division CUBS are 8-12 when they've won their last 1 game(s) in a row CUBS are 12-22 when they've won their previous game CUBS are 21-23 at night CUBS are 16-27 at home CUBS are 8-30 when WGN broadcasts the game CUBS are 17-34 when the temperature is 70 degrees or above CUBS are 27-20 when their pitchers average 16 pitches per inning or less..... 9-36 when they don't CUBS are 10-28 when they throw more pitches than the opponent.... 16-11 when they throw fewer pitches than the opponent.... 10-17 when the pitch counts are even. CUBS are 12-15 when they average 3.4 P/PA or fewer.... 24-41 when they don't CUBS are 25-37 when Barrett starts.... 9-19 when Blanco starts CUBS are 26-29 when one of Maddux, Marshall, or Zambrano start CUBS are on a pace to win 63 games this year..... compared to 79 last year CUBS are on a pace to score 669 runs this year..... compared to 703 last year CUBS are on a pace to hit 141 home runs this year..... compared to 194 last year CUBS are on a pace to draw 403 walks this year..... compared to 419 last year CUBS are scoring 4.13 runs per game compared to 4.34 last year CUBS are seeing 3.69 pitches per plate appearance compared to 3.61 last year CUBS are drving in 19.2% of their runners on base compared to 18.4% last year CUBS are scoring 0.349 runs per baserunner compared to 0.365 last year CUBS are extra base hit ratio is 30.4% compared to 35.8% last year CUBS are 27-32 when they draw at least 2 walks.... 9-24 when they don't CUBS are 17-15 when they execute a sac bunt.... 19-41 when they don't CUBS are 13-12 when they hit at least 1 triple.... 24-43 when they don't CUBS are 14-7 when they hit at least 2 home runs.... 22-50 when they don't CUBS are 13-8 when they hit a sacrifice fly.... 23-48 when they don't CUBS are 18-20 when they allow fewer than 4 walks.... 18-36 when they don't CUBS are 12-29 when the opponent steals a base.... 24-28 when they don't CUBS are 11-25 when the opponent executes a sac bunt.... 25-31 when they don't CUBS are 14-5 when the opponent commits at least 2 errors.... 22-51 when they don't CUBS have 8 GIDP's in their last 17 games CUBS have 8 SB in their last 6 games CUBS have 7 sac bunts in their last 26 games.... 9 sac bunts in their last 31 games CUBS have 36 home runs in their last 36 games CUBS have drawn 28 BBs in their last 7 games CUBS have 5 sac flys in their last 27 games CUBS have allowed 9 HR in their last 10 games CUBS have hit 10 batters in their last 16 games CUBS are 7-12 when Maddux starts Maddux is 7 of 19 in quality starts Maddux's ERA pitching to Barrett is 5.53 ... pitching to Blanco it's 4.29 CUBS score 4.13 R/G overall.... 3.79 R/G when Maddux pitches CUBS hit 0.87 HR/G overall.... 0.58 HR/G when Maddux pitches CUBS' offensive support of Maddux..... 04/03 - 07/18 AB R H 2b 3b HR TB RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS CUBS w/Maddux 629 72 170 34 6 11 249 65 48 91 0.270 0.321 0.396 0.717 CUBS overall 3144 380 838 150 25 80 1278 358 229 503 0.267 0.318 0.406 0.725 Maddux's pitching lines (7-10)..... Maddux IP H R ER BB K HR PC BB/9 K/9 HR/9 WHIP ERA 04/07 vs. St. L 6.3 4 1 1 2 1 1 87 2.84 1.42 1.42 0.95 1.42 04/12 vs. Cincy 6.0 3 1 1 2 7 0 86 3.00 10.50 0.00 0.83 1.50 04/17 vs. L.A. 8.0 3 1 1 0 6 0 87 0.00 6.75 0.00 0.38 1.13 04/23 vs. St. L 7.0 5 0 0 1 4 0 93 1.29 5.14 0.00 0.86 0.00 04/28 vs. Milw 6.0 8 2 2 1 6 0 89 1.50 9.00 0.00 1.50 3.00 05/03 vs. Ariz 5.0 10 5 5 0 5 1 85 0.00 9.00 1.80 2.00 9.00 05/08 vs. S.D. 3.7 9 7 7 2 4 1 70 4.91 9.82 2.45 3.00 17.18 05/13 vs. S.D. 7.3 4 1 0 1 3 0 73 1.23 3.68 0.00 0.68 0.00 05/19 vs. CWS 5.7 9 6 6 5 1 1 96 7.94 1.59 1.59 2.47 9.53 05/24 vs. Flor 6.0 8 6 6 2 4 1 97 3.00 6.00 1.50 1.67 9.00 05/30 vs. Cincy 5.7 7 3 3 0 1 0 64 0.00 1.59 0.00 1.24 4.76 06/04 vs. St. L 5.0 9 6 6 2 0 0 76 3.60 0.00 0.00 2.20 10.80 06/09 vs. Cincy 5.3 4 2 2 0 2 2 66 0.00 3.38 3.38 0.75 3.38 06/14 vs. Houst 7.0 11 5 5 0 1 0 90 0.00 1.29 0.00 1.57 6.43 06/20 vs. Clev 7.3 7 4 4 1 4 1 107 1.23 4.91 1.23 1.09 4.91 06/26 vs. Milw 7.0 7 5 5 0 7 3 89 0.00 9.00 3.86 1.00 6.43 07/01 vs. CWS 6.0 10 4 4 0 3 2 78 0.00 4.50 3.00 1.67 6.00 07/06 vs. Milw 6.0 6 2 2 1 3 0 78 1.50 4.50 0.00 1.17 3.00 07/14 vs. Mets 7.0 8 6 5 2 6 0 98 2.57 7.71 0.00 1.43 6.43 Home 58.3 62 28 26 8 35 6 754 1.23 5.40 0.93 1.20 4.01 Road 59.0 70 39 39 14 33 7 855 2.14 5.03 1.07 1.42 5.95 Day 62.3 68 33 31 18 35 5 873 2.60 5.05 0.72 1.38 4.48 Nite 55.0 64 34 34 4 33 8 736 0.65 5.40 1.31 1.24 5.56 totals vs. Houst 7.0 11 5 5 0 1 0 90 0.00 1.29 0.00 1.57 6.43 season totals 117.3 132 67 65 22 68 13 1609 1.69 5.22 1.00 1.31 4.99 Maddux's starts against Houston last year (2-2)...... Maddux IP H R ER BB K HR PC BB/9 K/9 HR/9 WHIP ERA 04/29 vs. Houst 6.0 7 2 2 1 3 1 87 1.50 4.50 1.50 1.33 3.00 05/25 vs. Houst 7.7 8 5 5 0 4 1 94 0.00 4.70 1.17 1.04 5.87 08/16 vs. Houst 7.0 3 1 1 2 5 0 70 2.57 6.43 0.00 0.71 1.29 10/02 vs. Houst 5.3 10 6 4 1 2 1 93 1.69 3.38 1.69 2.06 6.75 totals vs. Houst 26.0 28 14 12 4 14 3 344 1.38 4.85 1.04 1.23 4.15 season totals 225.0 239 112 106 36 136 29 3098 1.44 5.44 1.16 1.22 4.24 CUBS' bullpen usage for the last week...... Tue Mon Sun Sat Fri Thur Wed Totals 18 Jul 17 Jul 16 Jul 15 Jul 14 Jul 13 Jul 12 Jul vs Houst no game vs N.Y. vs N.Y. vs N.Y. no game no game pitcher IP Pit IP Pit IP Pit IP Pit IP Pit IP Pit IP Pit IP Pit Dempster 1.0 12 1.0 12 2.0 24 Eyre 0.7 12 1.0 22 1.7 34 Howry 0.7 8 1.0 13 1.7 21 Ohman 1.3 24 0.7 9 2.0 33 Novoa 0.3 29 1.0 14 1.3 43 Williamson 0.7 10 0.3 4 1.0 14 Rusch 2.0 33 2.0 33 Totals 3.0 42 3.7 86 3.0 47 2.0 27 11.7 202 CUBS' season series vs. Houston (2-7) ....... Gm# Date Opponent Score Starter 56 Mon 06/05 @ Houston N 8- 0 Zambrano 57 Tue 06/06 @ Houston N 1- 4 Wood 58 Wed 06/07 @ Houston 0- 1 Marshall 63 Tue 06/13 Houston N 2- 9 Marshall 64 Wed 06/14 Houston N 4- 5 Maddux 65 Thu 06/15 Houston 2- 3 Zambrano 82 Mon 07/03 @ Houston N 2- 7 Marmol 83 Tue 07/04 @ Houston 2- 7 Prior 84 Wed 07/05 @ Houston N 1- 0 Marshall 92 Tue 07/18 Houston N 4- 2 Marmol 93 Wed 07/19 Houston N - Maddux 94 Thu 07/20 Houston - Zambrano 118 Mon 08/14 @ Houston N - 119 Tue 08/15 @ Houston N - 120 Wed 08/16 @ Houston - CUBS hitters vs. Houston this year..... vs. Houst AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS Blanco 3 1 2 1 0 1 6 1 1 0 0.667 0.750 2.000 2.750 Mabry 8 1 4 2 0 0 6 1 1 1 0.500 0.556 0.750 1.306 Nevin 21 3 8 2 0 2 16 5 0 6 0.381 0.381 0.762 1.143 Barrett 34 4 12 3 0 1 18 3 5 5 0.353 0.425 0.529 0.954 Bynum 9 1 3 0 1 0 5 0 0 3 0.333 0.333 0.556 0.889 Pierre 39 2 13 2 1 0 17 1 3 0 0.333 0.395 0.436 0.831 Perez 19 0 7 1 0 0 8 0 0 1 0.368 0.368 0.421 0.789 Jones 31 5 7 0 0 3 16 5 1 13 0.226 0.242 0.516 0.759 Lee 14 0 4 0 0 0 4 1 3 4 0.286 0.412 0.286 0.697 Walker 25 2 5 2 0 0 7 1 2 0 0.200 0.259 0.280 0.539 Cedeno 33 4 6 0 2 0 10 0 0 7 0.182 0.182 0.303 0.485 Murton 17 1 3 0 0 0 3 0 2 2 0.176 0.263 0.176 0.440 Ramirez 39 0 7 1 0 0 8 2 0 3 0.179 0.179 0.205 0.385 Pagan 9 0 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 4 0.111 0.111 0.111 0.222 Womack 13 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0.000 0.071 0.000 0.071 totals vs. Houst 332 26 85 14 4 8 131 26 19 51 0.256 0.297 0.395 0.691 season totals 3144 380 837 145 25 80 1272 347 228 501 0.266 0.318 0.405 0.723 CUBS pitchers vs. Houston this year...... vs. Houst IP H R ER BB K HR PC BB/9 K/9 HR/9 WHIP ERA Dempster 3.0 1 0 0 1 3 0 43 3.00 9.00 0.00 0.67 0.00 Aardsma 1.7 0 0 0 0 1 0 22 0.00 5.40 0.00 0.00 0.00 Eyre 2.7 3 0 0 1 1 0 52 3.38 3.38 0.00 1.50 0.00 Zambrano 15.0 6 1 1 4 13 0 233 2.40 7.80 0.00 0.67 0.60 Howry 5.0 4 2 1 2 7 0 105 3.60 12.60 0.00 1.20 1.80 Wood 3.7 7 4 1 2 0 1 75 4.91 0.00 2.45 2.45 2.45 Marshall 18.0 17 6 6 10 8 2 274 5.00 4.00 1.00 1.50 3.00 Marmol 12.3 11 5 5 13 10 2 241 9.49 7.30 1.46 1.95 3.65 Guzman 2.0 1 1 1 1 1 0 31 4.50 4.50 0.00 1.00 4.50 Prior 6.0 4 4 3 4 7 0 109 6.00 10.50 0.00 1.33 4.50 Williamson 1.7 1 1 1 0 1 1 22 0.00 5.40 5.40 0.60 5.40 Maddux 7.0 11 5 5 0 1 0 90 0.00 1.29 0.00 1.57 6.43 Novoa 2.7 3 2 2 0 1 0 40 0.00 3.38 0.00 1.13 6.75 Ohman 4.3 4 4 4 1 1 1 51 2.08 2.08 2.08 1.15 8.31 Rusch 1.0 3 3 3 3 2 0 37 27.00 18.00 0.00 6.00 27.00 totals vs. Houst 86.0 76 38 33 42 57 7 1425 4.40 5.97 0.73 1.37 3.45 season totals 808.7 778 471 431 379 687 125 13741 4.22 7.65 1.39 1.43 4.80 CUBS' hitters during the last 14 games...... 06/30 - 07/18 AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS Theriot 4 2 2 1 1 0 5 0 1 0 0.500 0.600 1.250 1.850 Blanco 6 1 2 1 0 1 6 3 1 2 0.333 0.429 1.000 1.429 Barrett 46 12 20 6 0 1 29 5 7 6 0.435 0.509 0.630 1.140 Mabry 5 0 1 1 0 0 2 2 5 2 0.200 0.636 0.400 1.036 Pierre 63 9 26 6 2 0 36 1 3 2 0.413 0.439 0.571 1.011 Ramirez 53 7 17 4 1 2 29 11 6 8 0.321 0.393 0.547 0.941 Murton 28 8 11 1 1 0 14 6 3 4 0.393 0.438 0.500 0.938 Perez 29 4 10 3 0 1 16 6 0 4 0.345 0.345 0.552 0.897 Jones 46 9 14 4 0 2 24 8 1 10 0.304 0.319 0.522 0.841 Nevin 22 2 5 0 0 2 11 6 2 7 0.227 0.292 0.500 0.792 Pagan 28 4 6 0 0 3 15 4 1 6 0.214 0.241 0.536 0.777 Lee 47 7 12 4 0 0 16 2 8 16 0.255 0.364 0.340 0.704 Walker 43 2 9 3 0 1 15 2 2 4 0.209 0.244 0.349 0.593 Cedeno 43 3 7 0 0 0 7 1 1 11 0.163 0.178 0.163 0.341 14 game totals 494 72 148 34 5 15 237 60 41 95 0.300 0.354 0.480 0.833 season totals 3144 380 837 145 25 80 1272 347 228 501 0.266 0.318 0.405 0.723 CUBS' pitchers during the last 30 games...... 06/30 - 07/18 IP H R ER BB K HR PC BB/9 K/9 HR/9 WHIP ERA Howry 7.7 6 1 1 2 5 0 124 2.35 5.87 0.00 1.04 1.17 Ohman 4.7 1 1 1 3 4 1 78 5.79 7.71 1.93 0.86 1.93 Eyre 6.0 7 2 2 1 9 2 129 1.50 13.50 3.00 1.33 3.00 Marmol 16.3 12 6 6 18 11 2 303 9.92 6.06 1.10 1.84 3.31 Marshall 18.3 21 11 9 7 12 3 291 3.44 5.89 1.47 1.53 4.42 Prior 6.0 4 4 3 4 7 0 109 6.00 10.50 0.00 1.33 4.50 Zambrano 18.0 15 10 10 10 19 2 327 5.00 9.50 1.00 1.39 5.00 Dempster 7.0 5 4 4 2 8 2 109 2.57 10.29 2.57 1.00 5.14 Maddux 19.0 24 12 11 3 12 2 254 1.42 5.68 0.95 1.42 5.21 Rusch 8.0 9 5 5 6 9 1 154 6.75 10.13 1.13 1.88 5.63 Williamson 4.0 6 3 3 0 4 2 55 0.00 9.00 4.50 1.50 6.75 Novoa 8.0 15 12 6 1 5 4 145 1.13 5.63 4.50 2.00 6.75 14 game totals 123.0 125 71 61 57 105 21 2078 4.17 7.68 1.54 1.48 4.46 season totals 808.7 778 471 431 379 687 125 13741 4.22 7.65 1.39 1.43 4.80 Percentage of baserunners driven in 04/03 - 07/18 BDI LOB RBI% Restovich 1 2 0.333 Perez 20 59 0.253 Blanco 15 45 0.250 Walker 31 96 0.244 Jones 33 112 0.228 Barrett 26 89 0.226 Ramirez 37 136 0.214 Murton 23 103 0.183 Lee 10 55 0.154 Nevin 9 51 0.150 Mabry 6 36 0.143 Bynum 4 25 0.138 Cedeno 20 130 0.133 Hairston 4 27 0.129 Pagan 2 16 0.111 Pierre 12 101 0.106 Womack 1 14 0.067 Theriot 0 3 0.000 CUBS 267 1172 0.186 Go CUBS !!

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/images/gameday/mugshots/mlb/112388.jpg Clemens (1-3) 2.96 vs. http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/images/gameday/mugshots/mlb/118120.jpg Maddux (7-10) 4.60

Before tonight, the CUBS were 3-19 when they gave up 6 or more walks in a game..... but it sure worked out well tonight, eh?

TOP OF THE NINTH INNING Dempster in to pitch for the CUBS Palmeiro, pinch hitting for Everett, struck out swinging Munson, pinch hitting for Wheeler, lined out to right field Biggio grounded out to third, 5-3 0 runs 0 hits 0 errors 0 men left on base 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E Houston 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0 2 5 0 CUBS 0 0 0 3 1 0 0 0 x 4 8 0 CUBS WIN !! CUBS WIN !! CUBS WIN !! W: Marmol (3-3) S: Dempster (15) L: Oswalt (6-7) T: 2:38 A: 39,883 Home runs: Houston: Burke (7) CUBS: Nevin (17) Houston IP H R ER BB K HR PIT Oswalt 5.0 7 4 4 0 2 1 79 Springer 1.0 0 0 0 0 2 0 12 Nieve 1.0 1 0 0 0 1 0 9 Wheeler 1.0 0 0 0 0 1 0 11 CUBS IP H R ER BB K HR PIT Marmol 6.0 4 1 1 6 6 0 110 Williamson 0.7 1 1 1 0 1 1 10 Eyre 0.7 0 0 0 0 0 0 12 Dempster 1.0 0 0 0 0 1 0 12

Munson, pinch hitting for Wheeler, lined out to right field

Palmeiro, pinch hitting for Everett, struck out swinging

Dempster in to pitch for the CUBS IP H R ER BB K HR PC BB/9 K/9 HR/9 WHIP ERA 40.7 36 26 21 17 41 4 679 3.76 9.07 0.89 1.30 4.65

BOTTOM OF THE EIGHTH INNING Wheeler in to pitch for Houston Pierre grounded out to first, unassisted Barrett struck out swinging Lee flied out to left center field 0 runs 0 hits 0 errors 0 men left on base 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E Houston 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 2 5 0 CUBS 0 0 0 3 1 0 0 0 4 8 0 Home runs: Houston: Burke (7) CUBS: Nevin (17) Houston IP H R ER BB K HR PIT Oswalt 5.0 7 4 4 0 2 1 79 Springer 1.0 0 0 0 0 2 0 12 Nieve 1.0 1 0 0 0 1 0 9 Wheeler 1.0 0 0 0 0 1 0 11 CUBS IP H R ER BB K HR PIT Marmol 6.0 4 1 1 6 6 0 110 Williamson 0.7 1 1 1 0 1 1 10 Eyre 0.7 0 0 0 0 0 0 12 Howry 0.7 0 0 0 0 1 0 8

Barrett struck out swinging

Pierre grounded out to first, unassisted

Wheeler in to pitch for Houston

TOP OF THE EIGHTH INNING Huff flied out to left field Howry in to pitch for the CUBS Wilson grounded out to third, 5-3 Ausmus struck out swinging 0 runs 0 hits 0 errors 0 men left on base 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E Houston 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 2 5 0 CUBS 0 0 0 3 1 0 0 4 8 0 Home runs: Houston: Burke (7) CUBS: Nevin (17) Houston IP H R ER BB K HR PIT Oswalt 5.0 7 4 4 0 2 1 79 Springer 1.0 0 0 0 0 2 0 12 Nieve 1.0 1 0 0 0 1 0 9 CUBS IP H R ER BB K HR PIT Marmol 6.0 4 1 1 6 6 0 110 Williamson 0.7 1 1 1 0 1 1 10 Eyre 0.7 0 0 0 0 0 0 12 Howry 0.7 0 0 0 0 1 0 8

Wilson grounded out to third, 5-3

Howry in to pitch for the CUBS IP H R ER BB K HR PC BB/9 K/9 HR/9 WHIP ERA 44.0 41 16 15 13 40 5 774 2.66 8.18 1.02 1.23 3.07

Huff flied out to left field

BOTTOM OF THE SEVENTH INNING Nieve in to pitch for Houston Perez popped out (foul) to to the catcher Cedeno singled to left field Cedeno thrown out trying to steal, 2-6-3 Pagan struck out swinging 0 runs 1 hits 0 errors 0 men left on base 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E Houston 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 2 5 0 CUBS 0 0 0 3 1 0 0 4 8 0 Home runs: Houston: Burke (7) CUBS: Nevin (17) Houston IP H R ER BB K HR PIT Oswalt 5.0 7 4 4 0 2 1 79 Springer 1.0 0 0 0 0 2 0 12 Nieve 1.0 1 0 0 0 1 0 10 CUBS IP H R ER BB K HR PIT Marmol 6.0 4 1 1 6 6 0 110 Williamson 0.7 1 1 1 0 1 1 10 Eyre 0.3 0 0 0 0 0 0 7

Cedeno thrown out trying to steal, 2-6-3

Cedeno singled to left field