Fred Hornkohl

Barrett grounded out to second, 4-3 , Jones to third

Jones doubled to right field

Ramirez grounded out to short, 6-3

TOP OF THE SECOND INNING Wilson grounded out to the pitcher, 1-3 Ausmus singled to right center field Everett struck out swinging Clemens grounded into a FC, 6-4, Ausmus out at second 0 runs 1 hits 0 errors 1 men left on base 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E Houston 1 0 1 3 0 CUBS 0 0 0 0 Home runs: Houston: Biggio (9) CUBS: none Houston IP H R ER BB K HR PIT Clemens 1.0 0 0 0 0 1 0 17 CUBS IP H R ER BB K HR PIT Maddux 2.0 3 1 1 0 1 1 37

Everett struck out swinging

Ausmus singled to right center field

Wilson grounded out to the pitcher, 1-3

CUBS are 15-13 when they score in the first inning.... 21-43 when they don't Go CUBS !!

BOTTOM OF THE FIRST INNING Pierre grounded out to second, 4-3 Theriot struck out (called) Lee flied out to left field 0 runs 0 hits 0 errors 0 men left on base 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E Houston 1 1 2 0 CUBS 0 0 0 0 Home runs: Houston: Biggio (9) CUBS: none Houston IP H R ER BB K HR PIT Clemens 1.0 0 0 0 0 1 0 17 CUBS IP H R ER BB K HR PIT Maddux 1.0 2 1 1 0 0 1 21

Theriot struck out (called)

Pierre grounded out to second, 4-3

TOP OF THE FIRST INNING Biggio homered to left field Lamb grounded out to the pitcher, 1-3 Burke grounded out to short, 6-3 Berkman singled to left center field Huff grounded out to second, 4-3 1 runs 2 hits 0 errors 1 men left on base 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E Houston 1 1 2 0 CUBS 0 0 0 Home runs: Houston: Biggio (9) CUBS: none Houston IP H R ER BB K HR PIT Clemens 0.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 CUBS IP H R ER BB K HR PIT Maddux 1.0 2 1 1 0 0 1 21

Berkman singled to left center field

CUBS are 27-15 when they score first in the game.... 9-41 when they don't Go CUBS !!

Burke grounded out to short, 6-3

Lamb grounded out to the pitcher, 1-3

Biggio homered to left field

Oh, ye of little faith !!

Who was that woman ?? She couldn't carry a tune in a bushel basket !!

Wednesday 19 July 2006 Houston @ CUBS 19:05 Houston Biggio, 2b Lamb, 1b Burke, cf Berkman, rf Huff, 3b Wilson, lf Ausmus, c Everett, ss Clemens, p CUBS Pierre, cf Theriot, 2b Lee, 1b Ramirez, 3b Jones, rf Barrett, c Pagan, lf Cedeno, ss Maddux, p

After checking out Quiz's numbers I realized he had one of the greatest 5 year stretches for a reliever of all time from '80-'85. Quiz went 12-7 in 1980 as a reliever without even starting a single game. I wonder where that ranks on the all time list of decisions without a start. He was also unhittable on RBI Baseball. Elroy Face, Pittsburgh, 1959 went 18-1 without starting a game.

Does anyone actually believe that where a player hits in the batting order has a major affect on how they hit? Generally, no. But not without exception, and particularly in the short term. Case in point..... Perez AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS batting 1st 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 batting 2nd 54 6 18 4 0 0 22 4 1 4 0.333 0.339 0.407 0.747 batting 4th 4 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 0.250 0.400 0.250 0.650 batting 5th 7 2 2 0 0 0 2 2 0 0 0.286 0.286 0.286 0.571 batting 6th 6 1 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0.167 0.167 0.167 0.333 batting 7th 27 3 5 2 0 0 7 2 0 4 0.185 0.185 0.259 0.444 batting 8th 57 7 16 3 1 2 27 12 2 6 0.281 0.300 0.474 0.774 batting 9th 18 1 2 0 0 0 2 0 0 3 0.111 0.111 0.111 0.222 overall 174 20 45 9 1 2 62 22 4 17 0.259 0.272 0.356 0.629

When you make repeated misstatements of fact on this board, you will always be greeted with what may appear to be hostility. Some folks just can't take being corrected. Oh well. And please, do not flatter yourself. You will not be missed in the least.

Since when? Good question JR. Maybe it happened in that parallel universe where Ozzie is a classy, open-minded genius. According to the figures I have, the Cubs have outsold the world champs by 35,849...in 4 less games. The Cubs average about 4 thousand more per game. stats My fault. I mean they will outsell them by season's end. But that's because of the playoffs, so it's not really fair to compare. My season ticket rep said the Sox have sold 2.6 million so far, and they're guaranteed to break 3 mil for the first time in the new park's history. Last year I thought I read the Cubs sold 2.7 mil. That's not even close. They drew 3,139,322.

Using a stretched out extreme example negates any value in your example. It's pretty interesting to note that in nearly everyone of your diatribes about what is and is not worthwhile, you use extreme examples that have no basis in reality. I use extreme examples because it easier to see my point. So let's use a real life example. The Cubs sign somebody who has a .400 OBP, and bat him 7th. He gets on base 40 percent of the time, but he dies on first because Neifi and the pitcher strike out everytime he is on base. So this guy never scores even though he gets on base a great deal. If you moved him to 2nd in the order though in front of Lee, this person would be driven in 30 percent of the time. Therefore, run production would go up. How do you account for the fact that Neifi Perez has arguably been our best RBI man this year ??? Percentage of baserunners driven in 04/03 - 07/18 BDI LOB RBI% Restovich 1 2 0.333 Perez 20 59 0.253 Blanco 15 45 0.250 Walker 31 96 0.244 Jones 33 112 0.228 Barrett 26 89 0.226 Ramirez 37 136 0.214 Murton 23 103 0.183 Lee 10 55 0.154 Nevin 9 51 0.150 Mabry 6 36 0.143 Bynum 4 25 0.138 Cedeno 20 130 0.133 Hairston 4 27 0.129 Pagan 2 16 0.111 Pierre 12 101 0.106 Womack 1 14 0.067 Theriot 0 3 0.000 CUBS 267 1172 0.186 thats easy, Fred, hes clutch, and saves us many many times Yeah, and if you throw out a couple of 1 game wonders in Theriot and Barrett, he's also been our best option in the number 2 slot. :wink: 04/03 - 07/18 AB R H 2B 3B HR TB RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS Theriot 4 2 2 1 1 0 5 0 1 0 0.500 0.600 1.250 1.850 Barrett 4 1 2 1 0 0 3 1 0 1 0.500 0.500 0.750 1.250 Perez 54 6 18 4 0 0 22 4 1 4 0.333 0.339 0.407 0.747 Walker 109 14 30 6 1 2 44 10 8 14 0.275 0.319 0.404 0.723 Murton 12 1 3 0 0 0 3 0 1 4 0.250 0.308 0.250 0.558 Cedeno 97 6 25 1 2 1 33 5 2 20 0.258 0.273 0.340 0.613 Hairston 27 4 5 1 0 0 6 0 0 6 0.185 0.185 0.222 0.407 Pierre 13 2 2 0 0 0 2 0 0 2 0.154 0.154 0.154 0.308 Bynum 13 1 2 0 0 0 2 0 0 2 0.154 0.154 0.154 0.308 Pagan 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000