jaydee

yah kronwall has a rep as a dirty hitter who can't back anything up. so the call shouldn't surprise anyone who thought it was clean.

by the way, i love all the intermission commentators just ranted about how the hit on havlat wasn't dirty, and barely a word was said about havlat's health

well thats the end of this series.

shocking that the wings fan only posts now. :-))

[expletive] these assholes.

if the hawks dont get a pp here thats bs. exactly what seabrook did to holmstrom.

its like pierre mcgwire and big body presence

all the poor white trash which cheers for detroit can stop whinign about power plays now.

with the red wings? who's going to fight for them? Haha, good point. Draper? Maltby? That's about it. too bad it's not like the early 90s red wings. me and my friend used to play as them in NHL 93 when we would try to get penalties - we started probert, primeau, mccarty, konstantinov ( :( ) and chiasson. they were really good at getting penalties; one time we got down to 2 skaters and one of them was backup goalie vincent riendeau. didn't chiasson die in a car accident?

hey ozzy, wheres the puck? wheres hte puck ozzy??????????

you pick one. all i'm saying is that i'm not going to feel bad for a dirty player who got hurt when someone gave it back to them. especially a guy like havlat who runs and hides when it's time to pay for his dirty play. Bah, to heck with you. No kidding. Where do you get this 'Havlat is a dirty player' business from? It was a borderline hit. It could've been called either way. I think the fact that he went a little high was caused for a call. A major? I don't know. But here's the point. Regardless, he was trying to hurt Havlat. That doesn't mean it was a bad hit. But still, Ben Eager needs to destroy someone. I mean murder someone. I don't care if he gets suspended, it's worth it to put one of their guys out. Tit for tat. If it's legal, all the better. But I don't really care at this point. because hitchock and the flyers whined about havlat's 'stickwork' like 7 years ago. probably while the flyers were busy losing yet another playoffs series

who was it on, havlat? if so, i'm glad because he had it coming. It's cool... he'll be fine... I hope Lidstrom leaves on a stretcher. why? havlat is a dirty player; lidstrom plays the game with class. you shouldn't root for injuries to guys like lidstrom. yah, havlat did a few dumb things a logn time ago. he isn't dirty now. if they will take headshots on the hawks best players, hawks should give it right back to them. that meands lidstrom and zetterberg should be marked men

yah, its totally legal to hit a guy who never had the puck. while leaving your feet and following through with a flying elbow. oh, and going straight for a headshot as well.

never had the puck. and a headshot. payback will be a beatch, especially with a bunch of swedish pussies

go after lidstroms head. i wanna see him on a stretcher

if darren helm played for anyone but detroit people realize hes a run of the mill bottom 6 forward that is a dime a dozen. but since hes for detroit hes slobbered all over

doubt versus will show it....and of course they don't. please give hockey back to espn already.

atmosphere at the UC should be crazy tonight. probably lots of fights (in the stands) if the hawks lose.

His +/- in the minos is irrelevant. He outclassed other players by such a wide margin. You can always point to individual goals and say "it wasn't his fault." But that doesn't explain why it happens so often throughout his entire career. It's a simple fact that goals happen more often for both teams when Patrick Kane is on the ice at even strength. He's fantastic offensively and awful defensively. He can't win a battle on the boards to save his life, and his backchecking is weak at best and disinterested at worst. If you take out the empty-netters dragging down his +/-, he's probably about even at even strength, i.e. he's just as bad defensively as he is good offensively. But since you can count on him for 40 points on the PP and he doesn't need to play on the PK, he's still a wonderful player to have. But for some reason, among Hawks fans, it's taboo to mention his defense. It's weird, because it's plain as day. It's like saying Sosa didn't strike out a lot or that Ramirez is injury prone. It doesn't mean they aren't great players, it's just who they are. you really can't take much away from plus minus. crosby, who is damn good defensively was like +3 this year i think. plus minus isn't an individual stat...it takes into account the quality of a players teammates and who he plays against. kane is matched up against the opposing teams top players usually. if not their top players offensively, at least their best defensive players. so that means kane is less likely to score than say Byfuglien or Versteeg. anyway, kovalev basically pointed out why plus/minus shouldn't be used as an individual stat saying '"If I make a good play and we don't score, then one of our other players makes a mistake and the other team scores, I get a minus."

what was his plus minus in london? or with the u18 program? plus minus is such a useless statistic anyway. kane was -2 in game 2. those goals were both boneheaded moves by hawks dman at the blueline. so he was -2, when really 'his' pl/minus should have been zero. theres nothing he can do when seabrook and campbell turn it over at their own blueline to a defender heading up ice and yet plus minus gives him a -2.

that is not the makings of a dominant team. the forwards you listed contain no top 6 guys most likely, although kronwall is a very good player and ericsson is a good stay at home guy on the backend. as long as datsyuk, zetterberg, lidstrom, and to a lesser extent franzen and rafalski are playing at the level they are the wings will be contenders though. Filppula and Leino easily have top 6 potential. I don't think Filppula is a top 6 guy - Leino could be, but it really depends on how his transition to the NA style pans out. Sometimes older guys brought over can really transition well in the NHL, other times not so much. Should be interesting to see though.

that is not the makings of a dominant team. the forwards you listed contain no top 6 guys most likely, although kronwall is a very good player and ericsson is a good stay at home guy on the backend. as long as datsyuk, zetterberg, lidstrom, and to a lesser extent franzen and rafalski are playing at the level they are the wings will be contenders though. the reason the wings have been able to be contenders for so long is they were able to replace their elite players (yzerman, fedorov, konstantinov etc.) with elite players (datsyuk and zetterberg). that is rare and most teams can't do it and fall on rough times after their 'prime' has passed (like the avs right now)

I keep reading how the wings will just be able to 'replace' guys like Lidstrom when they retire. I understand they have been good for al ong time but that is just an incredibly arrogant statement. He was a generational Dman and you can't replace that. They will have to get most of their replacements as time goes on from free agency, since their prospect pool isn't very deep at all. The hawks on the other hand have some of the best depth in the league in terms of prospects, and I would expect that to continue since Tallon has shown an ability to consistently draft good young talent. Hawks have the extremely talented core hey need (Kane, Toews, Keith, Seabrook, Barker) and a steady stream of guys who can fit in (Bolland, Byfuglien, Sweatt, Beach, Aliu etc.) as role players. Yah, Kane and Toews aren't Zetterberg and Datsyuk yet. But Kane is 20. Toews is 21. They will only get better and better. On the prospect angle, hawks signed Beach today: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/hockey/blackhawks/chi-21-blackhawks-bits-chicago-may21,0,3922016.story He should be on the team next year...almost made it this year.

datsyuk with another dive. seriously what a queen.

detroit gets away with everything. then that is called? [expletive] that dead city and the useless assholes who live there.