2022 In Season Thread

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Re: 2022 In Season Thread

Postby TomtheBombadil » Sun Jun 26, 2022 3:21 am

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:Ortega is a year further from arbitration, but more importantly he's 2.5 years older, which makes it a harder sell for a material return at 31 than 28. I'm not overly enthusiastic about Ortega, but between his age and the way he can help the team in the short run(raising the roster's floor, hitting left handed on a roster/high minors devoid of LHH) I find it hard to see a net positive trade outcome for him. Wisdom could be a different story if the right deal came along given his younger age and defensive value, but again someone has to play 3B and there's no reason a team can't be competitive with Wisdom playing 3B in the meantime.


Not sure I agree with the floor, especially for 2023+. He's 32 next year, lost a MPH on EVs, stopped hitting HRs, isn't really a CF anymore, and the x stats all seem to say this is Ortega. It's also still early but Hill, Mervis, Roederer, Weber, and Young are all hitting well in the upper minors right now and could have some meaty samples by the end of July. If things are going well and the Yankees or Phillies or Giants (if Calhoun goes nowhere) are looking for super cheap LHH OF, a (ideally seemingly) random pitcher with some velocity and the roster spot might be meaningful enough? Without HRs, it might be alot easier for someone like Hill or Roederer to work their way up? Something like that
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Re: 2022 In Season Thread

Postby Backtobanks » Sun Jun 26, 2022 12:16 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:
Transmogrified Tiger wrote:Ortega is a year further from arbitration, but more importantly he's 2.5 years older, which makes it a harder sell for a material return at 31 than 28. I'm not overly enthusiastic about Ortega, but between his age and the way he can help the team in the short run(raising the roster's floor, hitting left handed on a roster/high minors devoid of LHH) I find it hard to see a net positive trade outcome for him. Wisdom could be a different story if the right deal came along given his younger age and defensive value, but again someone has to play 3B and there's no reason a team can't be competitive with Wisdom playing 3B in the meantime.


Not sure I agree with the floor, especially for 2023+. He's 32 next year, lost a MPH on EVs, stopped hitting HRs, isn't really a CF anymore, and the x stats all seem to say this is Ortega. It's also still early but Hill, Mervis, Roederer, Weber, and Young are all hitting well in the upper minors right now and could have some meaty samples by the end of July. If things are going well and the Yankees or Phillies or Giants (if Calhoun goes nowhere) are looking for super cheap LHH OF, a (ideally seemingly) random pitcher with some velocity and the roster spot might be meaningful enough? Without HRs, it might be alot easier for someone like Hill or Roederer to work their way up? Something like that


Phillies might be interested in Ortega now with Harper out.
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Re: 2022 In Season Thread

Postby Jaxbro » Mon Jul 04, 2022 2:57 pm

Mills to the IL, Rucker up
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Re: 2022 In Season Thread

Postby muntjack » Mon Jul 04, 2022 9:33 pm

Looking at potential trade targets and came across something that just blew my mind.

The Oakland A's have no players, at any sample size, with an OPS of .700 or better. 1B Seth Brown is #1 on the team at .699.
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Re: 2022 In Season Thread

Postby CubinNY » Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:43 pm

Kyle to the IL and Espinoza called up.
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Re: 2022 In Season Thread

Postby Bertz » Thu Aug 04, 2022 3:06 pm





Not 100% sure where the 40 is at at this point, but Dermody seems likely to have been called up because he's easily DFA-able.
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Re: 2022 In Season Thread

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Thu Aug 04, 2022 3:16 pm

Bertz wrote:https://twitter.com/Cubs/status/1555207265531068418?t=W1djSrNNFr0tDhcDejm2zA&s=19



Not 100% sure where the 40 is at at this point, but Dermody seems likely to have been called up because he's easily DFA-able.


Dermody makes 40 even if the team site is completely up to date.
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Postby JeffH » Thu Aug 04, 2022 3:40 pm

Dermody makes 38.
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Re: 2022 In Season Thread

Postby Post Count Padder » Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:49 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
Bertz wrote:https://twitter.com/Cubs/status/1555207265531068418?t=W1djSrNNFr0tDhcDejm2zA&s=19



Not 100% sure where the 40 is at at this point, but Dermody seems likely to have been called up because he's easily DFA-able.


Dermody makes 40 even if the team site is completely up to date.

That was my thought. I wanna see guys like Leeper and Mekkes get a look but they probably didn't want to rush them up for a double header. Or I haven't followed Iowa the last few days so I don't know who is healthy or rested.
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Re: 2022 In Season Thread

Postby Bertz » Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:19 pm



Didn't expect the Bote move. He seems likely to be out of the org after this year.
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Re: 2022 In Season Thread

Postby Derwood » Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:21 pm

Bertz wrote:https://twitter.com/Cubs/status/1555301508954087430?t=F109UISHPQJIl_TUV5dMqA&s=19

Didn't expect the Bote move. He seems likely to be out of the org after this year.


What a stupid extension that was.
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Postby UMFan83 » Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:31 pm

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Bertz wrote:https://twitter.com/Cubs/status/1555301508954087430?t=F109UISHPQJIl_TUV5dMqA&s=19

Didn't expect the Bote move. He seems likely to be out of the org after this year.


What a stupid extension that was.


its hilarious that the only extensions they were able to get done were with Hendricks and....randomly David Bote after a couple of ok months.
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Postby Post Count Padder » Fri Aug 05, 2022 5:34 am

The Rangers DFAd Steele Walker, a prospect I've liked awhile. Still has an option and is a lefty bat. Maybe we'll take a look.
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Re: 2022 In Season Thread

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:37 pm

Simmons was reinstated from the IL and then DFA'd, so that should probably be a wrap on his time in the org.
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Postby Tim » Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:40 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:Simmons was reinstated from the IL and then DFA'd, so that should probably be a wrap on his time in the org.

What was your favorite moment of the Simmons era?
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Postby abmillis » Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:52 pm

Tim wrote:
Transmogrified Tiger wrote:Simmons was reinstated from the IL and then DFA'd, so that should probably be a wrap on his time in the org.

What was your favorite moment of the Simmons era?


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Postby UMFan83 » Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:48 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:Simmons was reinstated from the IL and then DFA'd, so that should probably be a wrap on his time in the org.


Smart to do this before our trip to Toronto in a couple weeks.
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Re: 2022 In Season Thread

Postby Backtobanks » Sat Aug 06, 2022 4:56 pm

In the last 3 days, demoting Bote and dumping Simmons are good examples of stupid spending.
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Re: 2022 In Season Thread

Postby TomtheBombadil » Sat Aug 06, 2022 5:11 pm

Backtobanks wrote:In the last 3 days, demoting Bote and dumping Simmons are good examples of stupid spending.


If the Cubs didn’t get this weird pass for next years these are Phil Coke deals nobody remembers or cares about. “Oh no they spent a whopping $3 million a year on a bench player who could have made much less (even as benches become more and more vital to success)” is like…why are we even talking about that? Do better sure, but passing on a half dozen+ superstars mostly in their 20s since 2018 has more to do with the downfall of Cubs
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Re: 2022 In Season Thread

Postby CoolHandLuke » Sat Aug 06, 2022 5:29 pm

Backtobanks wrote:In the last 3 days, demoting Bote and dumping Simmons are good examples of stupid spending.


Signing them may or may not be an example of stupid spending, but dumping them is just evidence that they aren't falling for the sunk cost fallacy.
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Postby Backtobanks » Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:05 pm

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Backtobanks wrote:In the last 3 days, demoting Bote and dumping Simmons are good examples of stupid spending.


Signing them may or may not be an example of stupid spending, but dumping them is just evidence that they aren't falling for the sunk cost fallacy.


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Re: 2022 In Season Thread

Postby Backtobanks » Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:10 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:
Backtobanks wrote:In the last 3 days, demoting Bote and dumping Simmons are good examples of stupid spending.


If the Cubs didn’t get this weird pass for next years these are Phil Coke deals nobody remembers or cares about. “Oh no they spent a whopping $3 million a year on a bench player who could have made much less (even as benches become more and more vital to success)” is like…why are we even talking about that? Do better sure, but passing on a half dozen+ superstars mostly in their 20s since 2018 has more to do with the downfall of Cubs


One reason the Cubs use for passing on the superstars is the payroll is bloated with a bunch of IOWA shuttle, 26th player on the roster, AAAA players, broken down projects, etc.
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Re: 2022 In Season Thread

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:51 pm

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TomtheBombadil wrote:
Backtobanks wrote:In the last 3 days, demoting Bote and dumping Simmons are good examples of stupid spending.


If the Cubs didn’t get this weird pass for next years these are Phil Coke deals nobody remembers or cares about. “Oh no they spent a whopping $3 million a year on a bench player who could have made much less (even as benches become more and more vital to success)” is like…why are we even talking about that? Do better sure, but passing on a half dozen+ superstars mostly in their 20s since 2018 has more to do with the downfall of Cubs


One reason the Cubs use for passing on the superstars is the payroll is bloated with a bunch of IOWA shuttle, 26th player on the roster, AAAA players, broken down projects, etc.


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Re: 2022 In Season Thread

Postby TomtheBombadil » Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:53 pm

Backtobanks wrote:One reason the Cubs use for passing on the superstars is the payroll is bloated with a bunch of IOWA shuttle, 26th player on the roster, AAAA players, broken down projects, etc.


I guess we can imagine that David Bote's 5/15 or Simmons' 1/4 contract totally bloated the payroll, but mostly they seem to lean on no one really expecting the Cubs to be competitive all the time and writing every excuse for them
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Re: 2022 In Season Thread

Postby Backtobanks » Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:07 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:
Backtobanks wrote:One reason the Cubs use for passing on the superstars is the payroll is bloated with a bunch of IOWA shuttle, 26th player on the roster, AAAA players, broken down projects, etc.


I guess we can imagine that David Bote's 5/15 or Simmons' 1/4 contract totally bloated the payroll, but mostly they seem to lean on no one really expecting the Cubs to be competitive all the time and writing every excuse for them


No one expects them to be good, so they end up filling the roster with castoffs from other teams and with a bunch of IOWA shuttle, 26th player on the roster, AAAA players, broken down projects, etc. because they know that the fans will still come out and support them.
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