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Sammy Sofa wrote:I mean, they'll always be your kids, but yeah, my girlfriend and I think it's real goofy that have no good alternative to "boyfriend" or "girlfriend" and we're in our horsefeathering 40's. It's either that or "partner" or...

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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:49 pm

This came up in the politics meltdown, which is fun, but I mineaswell(tm) expand on it. Especially given that this is a community of hardcore holdouts on an internet message board that was fringe in its best days, I'm sure I'm not the only one.

In the last year or two, I've started to become comfortable with identifying myself as autistic, first with myself and then to other people. There's not much point in getting a formal diagnosis, but I did take the RAADs test. It scores on 0-240, the average non-autistic person scores 35, the average diagnosed autistic person scores 130, anything over 65 is considered a positive. I scored 167.

I'm gonna spoil the rest of this for length so I don't just dumb a wall of text on the page.

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I've met tons of people online who went through the same pipeline I did:

First you have a kid and they develop noticeable cognitive delays and mental disability. They're diagnosed with autism. You start to research more about about autism. You find out that there's a strong genetic component to the odds of being autistic. You can only say "oh, is that an autistic trait/symptom? Weird, I do that too..." so many times before it finally hits you.

(Side note: the kid is 13 now, and the smartest thing I ever did was get involved with the adult autistic community and start listening to them, even when it clashed with what other autism parents and sometimes doctors said. Kid is never going to be anything close to independent, but he's happier and thriving in his own way than he would have been otherwise).

It puts so much of my life into perspective. I've always known I was a weird nerd, but I've also always been employed, was married for 10 years, am a god-tier single parent, etc. I'm a normal adult, give or take a standard deviation.

But I have job-hopped a lot and had employers become frustrated with me because I would go through what I now know is a common autistic cycle: hyperproductivity/burnout. I can go for months where I'm hyperfixated on my job/career, and in those periods I'm extremely competent and productive, to the point where I can seriously advance my career. I'm especially great at job interviews when I'm hyperproductive and have talked my way into a lot of jobs. But inevitably, the burnout hits, and when that happens, I can barely drag myself into work and do the bare minimum to not get fired. I just do not care *at all*. Bosses wonder where the guy they hired went. This also followed me all through school, especially college, where I would get straight As for multiple semesters and then I would suddenly stop going to classes and end up having to withdraw or take Fs in every class for a semester.

The same thing happens with hobbies, where one day a switch is flipped and it's the only thing in the world I care about and have an insatiable desire to talk about it 24/7 (hence, online message boards) until eventually the switch flips back and I don't care about it at all.

When I told my mom I was suspecting it and thinking about talking to a therapist or doctor, she said 'oh yeah, we totally suspected when you were a kid, we just didn't want you to be stuck with a label. '

So much of my childhood makes more sense now too. "Gifted" programs were just places to stash asperger's kids they didn't want to deal with in regular classes. Why I was the only one of my cousins playing wiffleball who really really wanted to play by official MLB baseball rules. I remember being around 4 or 5 and being really confused as to how "Don't you want to go to the store with us?" and "Do you want to go to the store with us?" are functionally the same question and should be answered the same way.

I've also always wondered why other people were so good at remembering faces. I need to see someone daily for months before I can start to recognize them by face in other contexts. When people recognize someone they've only met once or haven't seen in years, it seems like absolute witchcraft to me.

It doesn't really change my life much to know this about myself, but it makes me feel a little better. I don't feel bad about hating making eye contact in public. We've sensory-proofed a lot of the house for my son and I've noticed it helps me relax more as well. I'll sometimes tell my friends "sorry, you're about to get an autism dump" before unloading some long, boring speech on them about some subject that interests me.

Something I've really started to realize in the last year is that when you combine the genetic component and the tendency for neurodiverse people to feel more comfortable around each other, it's not just me, it's most of the people in my life. My parents probably were. Same for most of my aunts and uncles. My ex-wife probably was. My closest friend has ADHD, and the line between that and autism is blurry at best.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:59 pm

Gotta be honest; I was kinda sweating reading that until this line:

My closest friend has ADHD, and the line between that and autism is blurry at best.
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Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:01 pm

Hairyducked Idiot wrote:a common autistic cycle: hyperproductivity/burnout. I can go for months where I'm hyperfixated on my job/career, and in those periods I'm extremely competent and productive, to the point where I can seriously advance my career. I'm especially great at job interviews when I'm hyperproductive and have talked my way into a lot of jobs. But inevitably, the burnout hits, and when that happens, I can barely drag myself into work and do the bare minimum to not get fired. I just do not care *at all*. Bosses wonder where the guy they hired went. This also followed me all through school, especially college, where I would get straight As for multiple semesters and then I would suddenly stop going to classes and end up having to withdraw or take Fs in every class for a semester.

...maybe I ought to take that test.

Edit: 55 and just prone to burn out sounds right.
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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:13 pm

JudasIscariotTheBird wrote:
Hairyducked Idiot wrote:a common autistic cycle: hyperproductivity/burnout. I can go for months where I'm hyperfixated on my job/career, and in those periods I'm extremely competent and productive, to the point where I can seriously advance my career. I'm especially great at job interviews when I'm hyperproductive and have talked my way into a lot of jobs. But inevitably, the burnout hits, and when that happens, I can barely drag myself into work and do the bare minimum to not get fired. I just do not care *at all*. Bosses wonder where the guy they hired went. This also followed me all through school, especially college, where I would get straight As for multiple semesters and then I would suddenly stop going to classes and end up having to withdraw or take Fs in every class for a semester.

...maybe I ought to take that test.

Edit: 55 and just prone to burn out sounds right.


55 is abnormally high for a non-autistic. It's defintely a little borderline.
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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:21 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:Gotta be honest; I was kinda sweating reading that until this line:

My closest friend has ADHD, and the line between that and autism is blurry at best.


There's a lot of overlap and I wouldn't be surprised if someday they're considered subsets of the same diagnosis. I know people who call it "diet autism" or "autism lite."

One easy way to tell them apart is dealing with time.

If you tell me something is at 6, I will probably get there too early because I spent the entire day thinking about common ways I could be delayed and left at a time that would account for any of those happening, even if they ended up not happening.

If you tell my adhd friend something is at 6, then at about 6:03 he will look at the clock and suddenly remember it was happening. He will jump up and start to get ready, but he will get distracted by something else at least four times before actually leaving the house.
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Postby Elon Musk » Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:27 pm

Hairyducked Idiot wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:Gotta be honest; I was kinda sweating reading that until this line:

My closest friend has ADHD, and the line between that and autism is blurry at best.


There's a lot of overlap and I wouldn't be surprised if someday they're considered subsets of the same diagnosis. I know people who call it "diet autism" or "autism lite."

One easy way to tell them apart is dealing with time.

If you tell me something is at 6, I will probably get there too early because I spent the entire day thinking about common ways I could be delayed and left at a time that would account for any of those happening, even if they ended up not happening.

If you tell my adhd friend something is at 6, then at about 6:03 he will look at the clock and suddenly remember it was happening. He will jump up and start to get ready, but he will get distracted by something else at least four times before actually leaving the house.


my wife used to drive me nuts with the time stuff in particular until I read about how ADHD affects women and then it all clicked. I had definitely wondered before that if she was somewhere on the spectrum close to the Big A. Like Kyle said, it's all different chapters of the same book
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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:35 pm

My brother in law has diagnosed adhd. I once watched him start at one end of their large yard, coiling a loose hose. Before he could finish coiling the hose, he noticed a cache of kids' toys that wasn't put away. Over the next 45 minutes, he made it across the entire yard and started 14 separate tasks without finishing any of them.

I've read articles about studies involving brain scans to confirm this phenomenon.

Our brains have a section that lights up when we're idle and searching for our next task. When we find a task, that part shuts off and whatever part of our brains help us do the task lights up.

For people with untreated ADHD, the part of the brain that searches for tasks *never turns off*, even when we've started up the task we found.

But when they go on ADHD medication, it starts working normally again.
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Postby mul21 » Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:33 pm

I definitely have a touch of both. Took the test and got 51. The work story you're telling is familiar, but mine is generally a seasonal affective disorder thing (at least I think, based on family history). My daughter is definitely on the spectrum based on professional testing and I'm certain she got a little of it from both me and her mom, the social anxiety stuff definitely coming from the other side. I don't have the same level of distractability as your BIL, but yardwork very frequently involves 2 or 3 different things going on at the same time before it all gets wrapped up. I feel like I only function as well as I do because of the "competitive brain" I have from playing sports for so many years.
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Postby WrigleyField 22 » Thu Nov 24, 2022 3:50 am

I should probably know this cuz my wife is a social worker, but is "non verbal" autism just a totally separate thing thing now (like autism with another concurrent diagnosis)?

When I was young the only time I ever heard of autism it was the non verbal type of cases. I know they don't diagnosis asperbergers as it's own thing and it's just ASD, so is just more diagnosis now just fall under the spectrum or is the non verbal component just not a part of it at all?
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Postby Rob » Thu Nov 24, 2022 1:59 pm

Scored a 30 on that test. Guess I don't have an excuse - I'm just an horsefeathers.
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Postby UK » Thu Nov 24, 2022 4:39 pm

As someone with ADHD, I spend more time adjusting my daily routine to compensate than anything else.

It's a constant mental battle. Even on meds (Vyvanse), it doesn't stop the lack of focus, easily triggered, etc.

I wasn't diagnosed until I was an adult but I know it's impacted me my whole life.

Always had trouble with organization, paperwork has been my nemesis. I would compensate by eliminating it.

Even today, I designate 30 minutes a day towards mail, paperwork, and paperless billing.

I'm the standard ADD list maker, it's always been my coping mechanism. I wake up, workout, shower and mentally list the daily schedule. 1st thing out of the shower is to write it down. I have lists everyday before, during, after work, weekdays, weekend.

Multi-tasking is definitely a blessing and a curse.
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Postby Andy » Thu Nov 24, 2022 4:48 pm

WrigleyField 22 wrote:I should probably know this cuz my wife is a social worker, but is "non verbal" autism just a totally separate thing thing now (like autism with another concurrent diagnosis)?

When I was young the only time I ever heard of autism it was the non verbal type of cases. I know they don't diagnosis asperbergers as it's own thing and it's just ASD, so is just more diagnosis now just fall under the spectrum or is the non verbal component just not a part of it at all?

They fall under the same umbrella, but they might as well be different things. Both my sons have autism (which means I have it, but I already could have guessed that), but the older one (6) is 'just' autism and from most outward appearances is a regular kid, while my younger one (4) is nonverbal. It's very very different.
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WrigleyField 22 wrote:I should probably know this cuz my wife is a social worker, but is "non verbal" autism just a totally separate thing thing now (like autism with another concurrent diagnosis)?

When I was young the only time I ever heard of autism it was the non verbal type of cases. I know they don't diagnosis asperbergers as it's own thing and it's just ASD, so is just more diagnosis now just fall under the spectrum or is the non verbal component just not a part of it at all?

They fall under the same umbrella, but they might as well be different things. Both my sons have autism (which means I have it, but I already could have guessed that), but the older one (6) is 'just' autism and from most outward appearances is a regular kid, while my younger one (4) is nonverbal. It's very very different.

ASD is a heterogeneous generous disorder that can manifest in different ways within and across people. We still have not come up with a good differential diagnosis for the condition. So people like Kyle and Andy’s youngest son can have the same label with very different symptoms. Even after 100 years, the condition defies definitions.

With the last DSM, they attempted to make a better diagnostic guide, but it’s no better than the last one. The heterogeneous nature of the condition makes for a lot of problems for the people who have ASD and those of us who treat the symptoms everyday.
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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Sat Nov 26, 2022 12:21 am

WrigleyField 22 wrote:I should probably know this cuz my wife is a social worker, but is "non verbal" autism just a totally separate thing thing now (like autism with another concurrent diagnosis)?

When I was young the only time I ever heard of autism it was the non verbal type of cases. I know they don't diagnosis asperbergers as it's own thing and it's just ASD, so is just more diagnosis now just fall under the spectrum or is the non verbal component just not a part of it at all?


Autism is a brain type that can yield varying degrees of developmental variance and social dysfunction. Historically it was first noticed in children like you're talking about.

Technically it's all part of the same diagnosis, and even Asperger's is starting to go out of style.

My son's formal diagnosis is "autism with pervasive developmental delay" so technically the developmental delays are a separate component.

But there's this general idea that when people outside the community try to split autism up by function, it causes those with more obvious support needs to be infantilized and have their autonomy reduced beyond what is necessary, and it causes the very real support needs for more functional autistics to be overlooked. The nonverbal kid is probably capable of more meaningful autonomy than they're likely to be given, and the hyperfocused nerd who gets through college and into employment is probably headed for massive burnout and major mental health issues by the end of their 20s.

And through the internet i've run into tons of bridge cases, people in between those two. Some were nonverbal as children but can speak normally for stretches now, but still go into mutism when stressed. I know one who was thought to be fully non-communicative as a child until they discovered in his teens that he could type in fully coherent normal sentences.

Even the fully nonverbal kids usually develop some degree of communication if you give them enough time. My son was strictly single words and rote phrases until about 10, then he started to pick up some more and now he uses full sentences a couple times a day.

Spoiler for length as I get into details about my son

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I would have said a few years ago that any degree of independence would be forever out of his reach. Now a group home in his adulthood isn't out of the question if that's what he wants.

Our biggest obstacle these days isn't communication, it's noise sensitivity. I'm paying more than I would like for an apartment because it's a luxury complex with thick walls, and every window is covered with noise dampening curtains, but he still gets upset if an ambulance drives by. He can barely hear it, but just knowing that it's there sets him off.

We are very careful to avoid triggers, but if he gets enough of them, he will go into a meltdown. You can see his stress levels in his mannerisms and I like to think of it on a 1-10 scale. If he's having a good day, he might go down to a 2. If he's mad because something he wanted got denied, up to 3.5. Loud bird outside our window? Now it's 5 and he's visibly agitated. 7+ and you're likely to see a meltdown.

We have them down to maybe once a month, anywhere from maybe 10 minutes to two hours These days it's usually just screaming, but occasionally he gets violent. When he was younger and we lived with loud family, the violent meltdowns were daily, but they were more easily managed when he wasn't 5-11, 250 pounds.

When he melts down, his pupils get weird, his skin gets warm and his heart rate goes crazy. There's literally nothing he or anyone can do until it runs its course besides try to keep him from hurting himself or breaking anything too expensive. Then when he comes down out of it, he's significantly more relaxed, it's like a pressure release valve.

A lot of older autistics have told me the violent meltdowns often phase out entirely as they exited their teenage years, and whether that's true or not for him will determine a lot of his future.

The nightmare scenario is a public meltdown. I joke that I wish he was "play Minecraft 22 hours a day type of autistic," but he expects to go out in public regularly. Restaurants, movies, sporting events, shopping. If he's not out at least once a day he gets really angry, and I can't control his environment out there the way I can at home.

If he hears a few sirens or loud birds or sees joggers (dont ask me why that's a trigger, my best guess is there's a no running rule at school and he feels like rules should apply everywhere), he might start yelling a lot, which is embarrassing in public but ultimately no one is getting hurt.

But there is one trigger above all, guaranteed to send him immediately to a full level-10 meltdown. Blackout rage, just throwing haymakers at whoever is closest to him (which I make sure is always me), Bobby Knighting furniture, absolutely ape poop. Crying babies. If he can hear a baby cry to any degree through his multiple layers hearing protection, it's instantly go time.

So anytime we are out in public, I'm constantly on the lookout for babies. If we are walking and I see one, we are walking the other way. As we walk up to a restaurant door, I'm looking through the windows and if I see a baby, I'll convince him to go somewhere else. If one comes in after we are already seated, well, *sometimes* I can convince him to pack up and leave but he can be really stubborn and he's not 6 anymore, I can't make him move if he doesn't want to.

So twice in the last two years, a baby came in after we were already seated in a restaurant and started crying. Both times I was able to usher/encourage/shove him to the door and outside while eating punches to the face but nobody else was hurt and no property damage beyond his own tablet and my glasses.

Hopefully we can keep it that way until he grows out of his volatile teenage years. I'm terrified of the day it goes a little more wrong. If he ever starts to attack other people instead of me, I'll have to escalate from herding him out to straight wrestling him to the ground and waiting for police to come help (and God knows calling police to help with an out of control mentally ill person never ends badly). It's never come to that, and hopefully it never will. But I'm not 100% sure it never will.

Or even worse, there was an incident not far from me a few years ago where an autistic, severely disabled adult punched someone at a walmart because the line was taking too long. The person he punched came up blasting his concealed carry, killed the autistic adult and wounded his parents. He was a former police officer and was not charged.
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Hairyducked Idiot wrote:
WrigleyField 22 wrote:I should probably know this cuz my wife is a social worker, but is "non verbal" autism just a totally separate thing thing now (like autism with another concurrent diagnosis)?

When I was young the only time I ever heard of autism it was the non verbal type of cases. I know they don't diagnosis asperbergers as it's own thing and it's just ASD, so is just more diagnosis now just fall under the spectrum or is the non verbal component just not a part of it at all?


Autism is a brain type that can yield varying degrees of developmental variance and social dysfunction. Historically it was first noticed in children like you're talking about.

Technically it's all part of the same diagnosis, and even Asperger's is starting to go out of style.

My son's formal diagnosis is "autism with pervasive developmental delay" so technically the developmental delays are a separate component.

But there's this general idea that when people outside the community try to split autism up by function, it causes those with more obvious support needs to be infantilized and have their autonomy reduced beyond what is necessary, and it causes the very real support needs for more functional autistics to be overlooked. The nonverbal kid is probably capable of more meaningful autonomy than they're likely to be given, and the hyperfocused nerd who gets through college and into employment is probably headed for massive burnout and major mental health issues by the end of their 20s.

And through the internet i've run into tons of bridge cases, people in between those two. Some were nonverbal as children but can speak normally for stretches now, but still go into mutism when stressed. I know one who was thought to be fully non-communicative as a child until they discovered in his teens that he could type in fully coherent normal sentences.

Even the fully nonverbal kids usually develop some degree of communication if you give them enough time. My son was strictly single words and rote phrases until about 10, then he started to pick up some more and now he uses full sentences a couple times a day.

Spoiler for length as I get into details about my son

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I would have said a few years ago that any degree of independence would be forever out of his reach. Now a group home in his adulthood isn't out of the question if that's what he wants.

Our biggest obstacle these days isn't communication, it's noise sensitivity. I'm paying more than I would like for an apartment because it's a luxury complex with thick walls, and every window is covered with noise dampening curtains, but he still gets upset if an ambulance drives by. He can barely hear it, but just knowing that it's there sets him off.

We are very careful to avoid triggers, but if he gets enough of them, he will go into a meltdown. You can see his stress levels in his mannerisms and I like to think of it on a 1-10 scale. If he's having a good day, he might go down to a 2. If he's mad because something he wanted got denied, up to 3.5. Loud bird outside our window? Now it's 5 and he's visibly agitated. 7+ and you're likely to see a meltdown.

We have them down to maybe once a month, anywhere from maybe 10 minutes to two hours These days it's usually just screaming, but occasionally he gets violent. When he was younger and we lived with loud family, the violent meltdowns were daily, but they were more easily managed when he wasn't 5-11, 250 pounds.

When he melts down, his pupils get weird, his skin gets warm and his heart rate goes crazy. There's literally nothing he or anyone can do until it runs its course besides try to keep him from hurting himself or breaking anything too expensive. Then when he comes down out of it, he's significantly more relaxed, it's like a pressure release valve.

A lot of older autistics have told me the violent meltdowns often phase out entirely as they exited their teenage years, and whether that's true or not for him will determine a lot of his future.

The nightmare scenario is a public meltdown. I joke that I wish he was "play Minecraft 22 hours a day type of autistic," but he expects to go out in public regularly. Restaurants, movies, sporting events, shopping. If he's not out at least once a day he gets really angry, and I can't control his environment out there the way I can at home.

If he hears a few sirens or loud birds or sees joggers (dont ask me why that's a trigger, my best guess is there's a no running rule at school and he feels like rules should apply everywhere), he might start yelling a lot, which is embarrassing in public but ultimately no one is getting hurt.

But there is one trigger above all, guaranteed to send him immediately to a full level-10 meltdown. Blackout rage, just throwing haymakers at whoever is closest to him (which I make sure is always me), Bobby Knighting furniture, absolutely ape poop. Crying babies. If he can hear a baby cry to any degree through his multiple layers hearing protection, it's instantly go time.

So anytime we are out in public, I'm constantly on the lookout for babies. If we are walking and I see one, we are walking the other way. As we walk up to a restaurant door, I'm looking through the windows and if I see a baby, I'll convince him to go somewhere else. If one comes in after we are already seated, well, *sometimes* I can convince him to pack up and leave but he can be really stubborn and he's not 6 anymore, I can't make him move if he doesn't want to.

So twice in the last two years, a baby came in after we were already seated in a restaurant and started crying. Both times I was able to usher/encourage/shove him to the door and outside while eating punches to the face but nobody else was hurt and no property damage beyond his own tablet and my glasses.

Hopefully we can keep it that way until he grows out of his volatile teenage years. I'm terrified of the day it goes a little more wrong. If he ever starts to attack other people instead of me, I'll have to escalate from herding him out to straight wrestling him to the ground and waiting for police to come help (and God knows calling police to help with an out of control mentally ill person never ends badly). It's never come to that, and hopefully it never will. But I'm not 100% sure it never will.

Or even worse, there was an incident not far from me a few years ago where an autistic, severely disabled adult punched someone at a walmart because the line was taking too long. The person he punched came up blasting his concealed carry, killed the autistic adult and wounded his parents. He was a former police officer and was not charged.

Thanks. That answered the question well. And I hope for the best for your son. It's difficult to imagine those challenges, but he's lucky to have you.
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Postby WrigleyField 22 » Sat Nov 26, 2022 2:00 am

Putting up obvious "arrogant American talking soccer" bait and getting earnest replies is just too easy.
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Postby minnesotacubsfan » Tue Nov 29, 2022 1:51 am

Nvm
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Re: General Chit-Chat thread

Postby Elon Musk » Tue Nov 29, 2022 6:42 pm

WrigleyField 22 wrote:https://twitter.com/BobbyBigWheel/status/1597412028708433920?t=SurO7Hr4SKIhPrO18h5Riw&s=19


been saying it for years
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Re: General Chit-Chat thread

Postby WrigleyField 22 » Tue Nov 29, 2022 6:44 pm

Elon Musk wrote:
WrigleyField 22 wrote:https://twitter.com/BobbyBigWheel/status/1597412028708433920?t=SurO7Hr4SKIhPrO18h5Riw&s=19


been saying it for years

I may have specifically been sub-posting you by posting it here.
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Re: General Chit-Chat thread

Postby CubinNY » Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:17 pm

There is a lot of disagreement within the ASD community about the nature and treatment of the condition. Many parents of children and now adults with co-morbid ASD (ASD + other conditions) and those "high functioning" Autistics are at odds and very passionate in their arguments. There are folks who want society to be more tolerant toward some of the behaviors that are not necessarily problems for the individual, like self-stimulatory behavior, but are for those around the individual. I think we should try to understand and make allowances for small, non-typical behaviors. However, when behavior is causing the individual to experience social rejection or hamper learning other, important skills, those should to be targeted. At my clinic, we focus a lot on joint attention as a foundational skill after working on communication in the absence of severe maladaptive behavior like hitting, screaming, and self-injury. We specifically do not target self-stimulatory behavior because it appears (at least to me after 20+ years in the field) to serve a body regulatory function. Instead, we teach the child to request to do it. We all engage in some form of it, to a greater or lesser extent.

My wife works at a university doing teacher training for special education teachers. She has a student who is almost finished and doing his practicum work who has ASD. It is very difficult for him to understand all the social variances of interacting with other staff. He's pretty good with the kids, although one day he kept his back to the class during the entire observation. But she's had to work very hard with him on the small but important things that are necessary to get and hold a job in education.
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Postby mul21 » Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:33 pm

I've been incredibly stressed the last few weeks prepping for and worrying about a professional certification exam I had scheduled for today. Well, 200 questions and 3 hours later, I walked out with a piece of paper that said I passed and now I'm getting drunk!
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