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Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Jan 27, 2023 2:19 am

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Sammy Sofa wrote:Hey guys: y'know what album just turned 20?




I love that album.


Hell yeah.

It's the dorkiest thing in the world, and it's the only Billy Corgan-associated music I can stand at this point.

Even though it's seemingly been wiped from all streaming services, Corgan himself said the other day that they're planning a reissue. If we can get a remastered, non-compressed, non-brickwalled to horsefeathers and back version, I'd be happy. If they release it with a bunch of the supposedly dozens(!!!!) of other songs they never released, horsefeathers yeah.
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Postby Derwood » Fri Jan 27, 2023 2:23 am

Siamese Dream still holds up
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We Got The Whole 9 wrote:Oh and yet more randomness but Blind Melon was terrific.

They slipped past me when they were an active band probably because of No Rain. Never cared to check out the rest of their catalog after hearing that. A year or two ago I heard some of their stuff at my barbershop so I listed to the self title and Soup albums all the way through for the first time. I was blown away at how good they were. No Rain is definitely an outlier for them. Wish I had gotten the chance to see them live.
Oddly enough No Rain never loses its luster to me, but it wasn't until about 2 years ago when I was making a playlist and "Change" came up as a suggestion, that I actually gave another song of theirs a listen. It's weird because my brother and I had a vast collection of "alternative" music at the time but for whatever reason we never picked up a Blind Melon album. But man they were really good and I'm glad I finally checked out their catalog. Definitely would have been a good band to see live.

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Postby We Got The Whole 9 » Fri Jan 27, 2023 3:10 am

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We Got The Whole 9 wrote:I may or may not get ripped for this but I've been listening to Skid Row - Slave to the Grind, daily. Only a couple songs have not held up. Their debut I can't say the same for but that 2nd album is amazing.

Oh and yet more randomness but Blind Melon was terrific.


Opposite for me. I loved the Skid Row debut album more than Slave, but Slave was good. Interestingly enough, I'm currently reading "Nothin' But A Good Time" which is the uncensored history of glam rock/hair metal from the '80's. I was a fan of many of those bands, but I'm in that age group that fit perfectly. I'm the same age as most of those bands from that era...Motley, Ratt, Cinderella, LA Guns, etc...and I had a secret obsession with wanting to be on stage doing what they were doing. Problem was I never learned an instrument and I lived in the middle of nowhere, IL.

Just bought my first electric guitar and getting ready to do online lessons. Meanwhile, while reading this book, my headphones are playing all of the debut albums of all of those hair metal bands. Probably a bit too late to live my dream, but I'm cooped up in the house with nothing better to do. LOL. I don't typically even listen to that era of music these days, preferring more of a blues/blues rock sound these days, but it's fun to go back and reminisce.


Been on a similar kick lately. I still like a lot of glam rock. I'm a huge fan of Motley up through Dr Feelgood. Found myself watching a lot of their old live performances. I only saw them once, at Ozzfest back in like 09 or 10, and they crushed it. Went down a YT rabbit hole and I'm watching like old ass Headbangers Ball episodes lol. horsefeathering Bulletboys came on and I hadn't heard them in 30 years. I used to wear out their debut album. I remember we had a rec room with a pool table and that was our stage. We couldn't afford guitars and knew no musicians back then so we made some horsefeathers guitars out of cardboard and thought they were the coolest.

Later in life when I got a guitar I just could not figure it out and gave up way too easily. horsefeathers was way harder than it looked lol

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Postby We Got The Whole 9 » Fri Jan 27, 2023 3:42 am

What the horsefeathers is Yung Gravy

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We Got The Whole 9 wrote:What the horsefeathers is Yung Gravy

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Postby rawaction » Fri Jan 27, 2023 12:51 pm

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Sammy Sofa wrote:Here's a random music hot take stemming from me going through my collection: The Love Below, outside of, like, 2-3 songs, kinda....sucks? Or at least has not aged well at all.
I could never really get into it. Speakerboxxx OTOH...

Big Boi has an absolutely stellar catalog


Yeah, I get why it blew up at the time just because it was SO different and everyone wanted it to be great and next level because Outkast's trajectory to that point had been nuts...but time, IMO, has not been kind at all to it. And it's not even a matter of it at least having a run of killer singles that makes it seem better in hindsight; you have the top tier all timer in "Hey Ya!" and that's horsefeathering IT. "Prototype" is a mess, and "Roses," I'm sorry, sucks hard. It is some seriously cringey, corny horsefeathers.

I was just surprised at how much I flat out disliked the album finally listening to it way after the fact, and it just makes it suck even more that Andre has basically vanished musically post-Idlewild (which, let's face it, arguably doesn't even exist), because it means this is what he basically went out on. Like, it would be cool if it really was this weird, trippy mix of styles and vibes, but I didn't get that at all this time around. It just sounded like a mess; a bunch of half-baked ideas and music sketches that aren't really anchored by the 3-4ish "real songs" on the album. Like, people rightly roast big hip-hop names when they put out what sound like 70%-done albums these days, but I'd argue that horsefeathers started with this one.


It really didn't age well AT ALL. I like "Prototype" though it is definitely a mess. The only redeeming part of "Roses" is Big Boi's feature verse, ironically IMO. But yeah, 3000 is one of the largest "what ifs" in hip-hop, and not because he died young like many others. I think people would still go crazy over a solo album like 20 years after the fact. He has had some amazing features since Idlewild, so many think the solo album potential is there. Ithink that ship has sailed though. Hopefully, he still does features every now and then in between his NYC street corner flute playing.
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We Got The Whole 9 wrote:I may or may not get ripped for this but I've been listening to Skid Row - Slave to the Grind, daily. Only a couple songs have not held up. Their debut I can't say the same for but that 2nd album is amazing.

Oh and yet more randomness but Blind Melon was terrific.


Opposite for me. I loved the Skid Row debut album more than Slave, but Slave was good. Interestingly enough, I'm currently reading "Nothin' But A Good Time" which is the uncensored history of glam rock/hair metal from the '80's. I was a fan of many of those bands, but I'm in that age group that fit perfectly. I'm the same age as most of those bands from that era...Motley, Ratt, Cinderella, LA Guns, etc...and I had a secret obsession with wanting to be on stage doing what they were doing. Problem was I never learned an instrument and I lived in the middle of nowhere, IL.

Just bought my first electric guitar and getting ready to do online lessons. Meanwhile, while reading this book, my headphones are playing all of the debut albums of all of those hair metal bands. Probably a bit too late to live my dream, but I'm cooped up in the house with nothing better to do. LOL. I don't typically even listen to that era of music these days, preferring more of a blues/blues rock sound these days, but it's fun to go back and reminisce.


Been on a similar kick lately. I still like a lot of glam rock. I'm a huge fan of Motley up through Dr Feelgood. Found myself watching a lot of their old live performances. I only saw them once, at Ozzfest back in like 09 or 10, and they crushed it. Went down a YT rabbit hole and I'm watching like old ass Headbangers Ball episodes lol. horsefeathering Bulletboys came on and I hadn't heard them in 30 years. I used to wear out their debut album. I remember we had a rec room with a pool table and that was our stage. We couldn't afford guitars and knew no musicians back then so we made some horsefeathers guitars out of cardboard and thought they were the coolest.

Later in life when I got a guitar I just could not figure it out and gave up way too easily. horsefeathers was way harder than it looked lol

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That era was so incredibly me at that time. I was 21 and going to clubs on the weekends and bands were doing every hair metal band that was hot at the time. Saw them all in concert. Saw Crue in Florida. There was one band in the Peoria area that had a young phenom guitar player that we had to see every time they played somewhere. He was actually from the same high school as me, but about 5 years younger. I talked them into playing my wedding reception, which is something they typically refused to do. They cleared out our older family members with their own version of AC/DC's "Big Balls" where they changed the lyrics to "Brian's got the biggest, balls of them all" and crap like that. Hilarious now, but I was petrified at what my own parents thought of my music choice. But they were really good. I actually played some tennis with that guitar player a few times. His girlfriend had a sister that was my age, so we had a bit more in common. One day he says to me that he got accepted at Berkelee school of music in Boston and I was so happy for him I was moving to Champaign at the same time from Peoria. Years later, I almost couldn't even remember his name, but was completely out of touch with that scene and him. One day after the internet was invented by Al Gore, I was browsing my dial up AOL cd of free internet and his name popped up in my head. I googled him (was google a thing yet?) and after music school, he accepted a job playing guitar for Charlie Daniels Band and he stayed there until Charlie retired, which was only a months before he passed away. I knew he was good.

But the band shows were amazing at that time. I don't remember a lot of them as we'd get so messed up preshow. I've ben telling my wife for years that my one regret was that I never saw Van Halen, but going through old concert tickets I found a Van Halen ticket stub from the Peoria Civic Center from the 5150 tour that I don't remember going to, but apparently I did. I don't have a clue who I went with or any other details. That night is erased from my memory bank.

The guitar lessons I'm starting out with are called Beginner Electric Lesson by Marty Music (You Tube). I like the way he explains things, and he's very important about repetition. My problem with guitar lessons before was that I wasn't playing songs at the end of the first day and it became frustrating waiting to be able to be good enough to do that. I was bored with just learning chords. His lessons actually have me putting a few easy chords together that sound good right off the bat and he stresses to play around with those chords by mixing strums and picking strings while getting used to where your hands are. I'll keep you posted, but so far I really like the way he teaches.

ETA: That guitar player is Chris Wormer. He's got some stuff on YouTube that is pretty cool. I wish it was more rock than CDB/country, but it's still cool that he made a career doing what he was so good at.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Jan 27, 2023 1:30 pm

rawaction wrote:It really didn't age well AT ALL. I like "Prototype" though it is definitely a mess. The only redeeming part of "Roses" is Big Boi's feature verse, ironically IMO. But yeah, 3000 is one of the largest "what ifs" in hip-hop, and not because he died young like many others. I think people would still go crazy over a solo album like 20 years after the fact. He has had some amazing features since Idlewild, so many think the solo album potential is there. Ithink that ship has sailed though. Hopefully, he still does features every now and then in between his NYC street corner flute playing.


Yeah, I've tracked down almost every guest spot of his over the years, and pretty much all of them point to him still having it...he just doesn't want to put himself out there as a featured artist, whether solo or with Outkast. Watching some of those 2014 shows are just kind of a bummer, IMO; they're never an out an out disaster or disappointment, but 3000 just seems like he is not into it at all and was just going through the motions, which wasn't surprising when the dude put out a horsefeathering press release after the "Pink Matter" remix added Big Boi, to say that that song didn't count as an "official" Outkast reunion (and I kinda wanna blame 3000 for infecting Frank Ocean with notgonnamakeanymoremusicitis). Something really seemed to burn out for him.

And, to be blunt, I wish he wasn't such a mid actor at best most of the time, because that path isn't setting the world on fire, either.

It's funny bringing up Big Boi's verse on "Roses;" it is definitely the best part of the song, which is sad, because it feels like something he just had laying around that he wrote after a REALLY bad day, and they just dropped it into the song so they could technically say there was a "real" Outkast song on the album. It's a really ugly song misogyny-wise.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Jan 27, 2023 1:32 pm

Out of curiosity, is it a thing now to call US hair metal "glam rock?" Like, I've always looked at those as two very different subgenres.
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We Got The Whole 9 wrote:I may or may not get ripped for this but I've been listening to Skid Row - Slave to the Grind, daily. Only a couple songs have not held up. Their debut I can't say the same for but that 2nd album is amazing.

Oh and yet more randomness but Blind Melon was terrific.


Opposite for me. I loved the Skid Row debut album more than Slave, but Slave was good. Interestingly enough, I'm currently reading "Nothin' But A Good Time" which is the uncensored history of glam rock/hair metal from the '80's. I was a fan of many of those bands, but I'm in that age group that fit perfectly. I'm the same age as most of those bands from that era...Motley, Ratt, Cinderella, LA Guns, etc...and I had a secret obsession with wanting to be on stage doing what they were doing. Problem was I never learned an instrument and I lived in the middle of nowhere, IL.

Just bought my first electric guitar and getting ready to do online lessons. Meanwhile, while reading this book, my headphones are playing all of the debut albums of all of those hair metal bands. Probably a bit too late to live my dream, but I'm cooped up in the house with nothing better to do. LOL. I don't typically even listen to that era of music these days, preferring more of a blues/blues rock sound these days, but it's fun to go back and reminisce.

I'm interested to hear how the online lessons work out for you, and what you end up using. I took guitar lessons for a short time when I was in middle school, then dropped it until I got out of college and started taking lessons again. Things were going well until my instructor moved away and was replaced by a kid who was much younger than me and I never went back. I still have my guitar stored away in a closet, and coincidentally the Nothin' But A Good Time book that you referenced sits unread in that same closet. I have frequently debated getting back into guitar again in some form, but I'm not sure I'll ever do another in-person lesson. If there was a really good online option, I would definitely consider that. Good luck to you!


That book is great. It talks about how those bands came to be, how everyone stepped on each others toes to try to outdo one another in sound, look, stage presence, girls, advertising their name throughout LA and staying relevant. The band mate swapping was at an extreme level then. Skid Row gets a whole chapter about how Sebastian Bach sabotaged the rest of the band throwing a bottle back in the crowd after it was thrown at him, and then wearing a gay slur t-shirt that offended the entire world, all while only being an opening act band at the time. I recommend the read. It will take you back to that time. I've been reading while listening to all the bands on headphones. It's a great combo to take you back to that time. I have to admit, I'm listening to Blind Melon as I type this though. And those albums are really good. I'm with you on No Rain. Almost didn't give them a chance because of that song. Too whiny sounding for me.
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Postby BigbadB » Fri Jan 27, 2023 4:36 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:Out of curiosity, is it a thing now to call US hair metal "glam rock?" Like, I've always looked at those as two very different subgenres.


They typically are different genres, but some bands were still doing glam rock at the same time hair metal became prevalent. Hanoi Rocks was one of those bands. One of the members of Hanoi Rocks died in a car crash and in a car driven by Motley Crue singer, Vince Neil. They were performing together on tour at that time, I believe. Glam Rock was earlier than hair metal for the most part. T Rex, David Bowie (Ziggy Stardust), etc... were glam rock. Many hair metal bands patterned what they were doing from glam rock acts, thus part of the reason they get lumped together at times.

At the same time, not all of the bands from the '80's fell into the hair metal genre. Tesla were tshirt and jeans and no hair spray. But, their music fell into the same common theme (in your face rock n roll, but get that ballad in there to get chicks to buy the records, too) as everyone else, thus they are considered hair metal.
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Postby We Got The Whole 9 » Fri Jan 27, 2023 4:40 pm

It has become a catchall term from what I've seen.

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Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Jan 27, 2023 4:42 pm

Maybe "glam metal" makes a bit more sense. "Glam rock" is Bowie and T.Rex and Roxy Music and the like.
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Postby Derwood » Fri Jan 27, 2023 5:25 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:Maybe "glam metal" makes a bit more sense. "Glam rock" is Bowie and T.Rex and Roxy Music and the like.


Who were all direct influences on Mötley Crüe et al
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Jan 27, 2023 5:32 pm

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Sammy Sofa wrote:Maybe "glam metal" makes a bit more sense. "Glam rock" is Bowie and T.Rex and Roxy Music and the like.


Who were all direct influences on Mötley Crüe et al


Stylistically? Sure. Musically? Ehhhhhhhhh. Like, I don't doubt that plenty of those guys love those bands, but to lump them all together requires, IMO, just assuming that dudes on stage with guitars and wearing makeup all sound the same.

Like, there's much of a direct line, IMO, between a band like the New York Dolls and a band like Mötley Crüe than trying to fit Bowie or Slade or Mott the Hoople in there.

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Postby Derwood » Fri Jan 27, 2023 5:37 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:
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Sammy Sofa wrote:Maybe "glam metal" makes a bit more sense. "Glam rock" is Bowie and T.Rex and Roxy Music and the like.


Who were all direct influences on Mötley Crüe et al


Stylistically? Sure. Musically? Ehhhhhhhhh. Like, I don't doubt that plenty of those guys love those bands, but to lump them all together requires, IMO, just assuming that dudes on stage with guitars and wearing makeup all sound the same.

Like, there's much of a direct line, IMO, between a band like the New York Dolls and a band like Mötley Crüe than trying to fit Bowie or Slade or Mott the Hoople in there.

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Sorry, I'm not justifying lumping them together, just saying why one seems to be associate with the other. There's definitely a huge difference between glam rock and glam metal
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Postby d_money » Fri Jan 27, 2023 6:29 pm

Some good tunes on Blind Melons album - Change is their best song. I was totally bummed when Shannon Hoon died, such a unique voice.

(I’ve always skipped No Rain anytime it came on, even back then! Ha)
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Postby d_money » Fri Jan 27, 2023 6:36 pm

We went to the Stars N Guitars concert at Alpine Valley in 1990 with Motley headlining - crazy day of beer bongs and just all around stupidity. Tesla, Bonham, Joe Satriani.

Motley filmed the Same ol Situation video - it was awesome. Our seats were right below where Tommy’s drum set came over the crowd. Haha

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Postby Derwood » Fri Jan 27, 2023 7:08 pm

d_money wrote:
(I’ve always skipped No Rain anytime it came on, even back then! Ha)


I hated that song when it came out, but really like it now
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Jan 27, 2023 7:10 pm

So, wait, that dude sang like that just on that one song, but then sounds different on the rest of their music? The horsefeathers is up with that.
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Postby We Got The Whole 9 » Fri Jan 27, 2023 8:49 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:So, wait, that dude sang like that just on that one song, but then sounds different on the rest of their music? The horsefeathers is up with that.
I'd say he has other songs that can go in that bucket but check out the self-titled album. I think you'll really dig it.

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Sammy Sofa wrote:So, wait, that dude sang like that just on that one song, but then sounds different on the rest of their music? The horsefeathers is up with that.
I'd say he has other songs that can go in that bucket but check out the self-titled album. I think you'll really dig it.

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They definitely have a Jane's Addiction sound on a lot of their songs, and they definitely fall in that bucket as far as genre. But his voice isn't nearly as whiny in the other songs. His voice has a bit of a Yes Jon Anderson sound to it as well. It's just cool music. You are definitely missing out if you haven't listened to the albums. Make that your next Amazon stream. I really dig "Toes Across The Floor" on the Soup album.
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Postby 17 Seconds » Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:01 pm

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We Got The Whole 9 wrote:I may or may not get ripped for this but I've been listening to Skid Row - Slave to the Grind, daily. Only a couple songs have not held up. Their debut I can't say the same for but that 2nd album is amazing.

Oh and yet more randomness but Blind Melon was terrific.


Opposite for me. I loved the Skid Row debut album more than Slave, but Slave was good. Interestingly enough, I'm currently reading "Nothin' But A Good Time" which is the uncensored history of glam rock/hair metal from the '80's. I was a fan of many of those bands, but I'm in that age group that fit perfectly. I'm the same age as most of those bands from that era...Motley, Ratt, Cinderella, LA Guns, etc...and I had a secret obsession with wanting to be on stage doing what they were doing. Problem was I never learned an instrument and I lived in the middle of nowhere, IL.

Just bought my first electric guitar and getting ready to do online lessons. Meanwhile, while reading this book, my headphones are playing all of the debut albums of all of those hair metal bands. Probably a bit too late to live my dream, but I'm cooped up in the house with nothing better to do. LOL. I don't typically even listen to that era of music these days, preferring more of a blues/blues rock sound these days, but it's fun to go back and reminisce.


what kind of guitar did you get? i just got my first strat (never been a fender guy). it's just a 1998 MIM, but it plays really nicely

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17 Seconds wrote:
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We Got The Whole 9 wrote:I may or may not get ripped for this but I've been listening to Skid Row - Slave to the Grind, daily. Only a couple songs have not held up. Their debut I can't say the same for but that 2nd album is amazing.

Oh and yet more randomness but Blind Melon was terrific.


Opposite for me. I loved the Skid Row debut album more than Slave, but Slave was good. Interestingly enough, I'm currently reading "Nothin' But A Good Time" which is the uncensored history of glam rock/hair metal from the '80's. I was a fan of many of those bands, but I'm in that age group that fit perfectly. I'm the same age as most of those bands from that era...Motley, Ratt, Cinderella, LA Guns, etc...and I had a secret obsession with wanting to be on stage doing what they were doing. Problem was I never learned an instrument and I lived in the middle of nowhere, IL.

Just bought my first electric guitar and getting ready to do online lessons. Meanwhile, while reading this book, my headphones are playing all of the debut albums of all of those hair metal bands. Probably a bit too late to live my dream, but I'm cooped up in the house with nothing better to do. LOL. I don't typically even listen to that era of music these days, preferring more of a blues/blues rock sound these days, but it's fun to go back and reminisce.


what kind of guitar did you get? i just got my first strat (never been a fender guy). it's just a 1998 MIM, but it plays really nicely

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I got an Epiphone Les Paul.
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