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Re: Minor League Musings

Postby Legendarystatus94 » Wed Jul 13, 2022 11:05 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:
Legendarystatus94 wrote:It’s the overall potential and flashes of excellence that peak your interest. Like the 2 homer, 8 rbi game for instance. Even tonight, he had a really nice diving catch in the outfield. You bet on the tools with someone like him. It’s more than just the numbers. He’s definitely better than marisnick.


FTR Marisnick hit .320/.392/.496 (152 wRC+) with a sub-20% K rate in A ball as a 20 YO 3rd year pro (2nd full year) over 523 PAs. Alcantara's a 19 YO 4th year (3rd full) pro with a 128 wRC+, .268/.356/.475 triple slash...Alcantara seems like a great teammate, is right there with Crow-Armstrong as the best OF defender in the org and maybe even best overall defender, but needless to say I don't get what screams "definitely better" there. Two different styles of offense for sure, but not definitely better
His overall tools just stand out more. When you’re 6’6”, with the chance for average or above tools across the board that’s what stands out. Wouldn’t you say on the same side of the token that based off production, Cristian Hernandez is “expendable” too? His numbers are good, but they don’t necessarily jump out at you, especially so far this season. I wouldn’t trade him at all but with madrigal, hoerner and other young infielders you could make the same argument about him.
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Re: Minor League Musings

Postby TomtheBombadil » Thu Jul 14, 2022 12:46 am

Legendarystatus94 wrote:His overall tools just stand out more. When you’re 6’6”, with the chance for average or above tools across the board that’s what stands out. Wouldn’t you say on the same side of the token that based off production, Cristian Hernandez is “expendable” too? His numbers are good, but they don’t necessarily jump out at you, especially so far this season. I wouldn’t trade him at all but with madrigal, hoerner and other young infielders you could make the same argument about him.


Marisnick's listed 6'4" 220 today, a long time excellent defensive CF, and that 2011 season made him MLB.com's 58th ranked prospect entering 2012. 3rd round pick out of HS, he had tools...Both are glove and slug type prospects, Alcantrara's slug a little more literal (and therefore potentially Valuable) in that there's more HR potential...but yeah..."definitely better" is a big stretch here still. It's not exactly an insulting comparison! Marisnick's nearly a decade MLer with double digit WAR, a ring, plenty of playoff experience, has secured FA deals in increasingly unfriendly conditions for an Aging player, etc

Expendable isn't the word I'd use but yeah, Hernandez would never be untouchable so much as expensive. Honestly my dream Hernandez scenario has always been becoming high enough ranked to headline a Juan Soto (or another superstar) trade. The way I see it, The Man did the kid dirty and trumped up ARod/Machado nonsense to ease Cubs fans into rebuild mode (never too hard to do?) as the 2020 team got tanked by definitely no shenanigans. I'd trade Alcantara+ for Luis Castillo this deadline if possible
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Re: Minor League Musings

Postby Legendarystatus94 » Thu Jul 14, 2022 1:41 am

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Legendarystatus94 wrote:His overall tools just stand out more. When you’re 6’6”, with the chance for average or above tools across the board that’s what stands out. Wouldn’t you say on the same side of the token that based off production, Cristian Hernandez is “expendable” too? His numbers are good, but they don’t necessarily jump out at you, especially so far this season. I wouldn’t trade him at all but with madrigal, hoerner and other young infielders you could make the same argument about him.


Marisnick's listed 6'4" 220 today, a long time excellent defensive CF, and that 2011 season made him MLB.com's 58th ranked prospect entering 2012. 3rd round pick out of HS, he had tools...Both are glove and slug type prospects, Alcantrara's slug a little more literal (and therefore potentially Valuable) in that there's more HR potential...but yeah..."definitely better" is a big stretch here still. It's not exactly an insulting comparison! Marisnick's nearly a decade MLer with double digit WAR, a ring, plenty of playoff experience, has secured FA deals in increasingly unfriendly conditions for an Aging player, etc

Expendable isn't the word I'd use but yeah, Hernandez would never be untouchable so much as expensive. Honestly my dream Hernandez scenario has always been becoming high enough ranked to headline a Juan Soto (or another superstar) trade. The way I see it, The Man did the kid dirty and trumped up ARod/Machado nonsense to ease Cubs fans into rebuild mode (never too hard to do?) as the 2020 team got tanked by definitely no shenanigans. I'd trade Alcantara+ for Luis Castillo this deadline if possible
Not this deadline. The Cubs are literally going nowhere this year and are going to be sellers. They should try to acquire even more prospect talent. Marisnick didn’t seem like a good comparison just cause he’s a career .227 hitter at the big league level and I could see more from Alcantara at that level.
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Postby craig » Thu Jul 14, 2022 8:00 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:...Marisnick's listed 6'4" 220 today, a long time excellent defensive CF, and that 2011 season made him MLB.com's 58th ranked prospect entering 2012. 3rd round pick out of HS, he had tools.......


Marisnick was an excellent prospect. There are many excellent prospects who don't turn out; and others who turn out very well. With Alcantara, we don't know now, for sure there is a chance that for such a long guy with such long levers, that big-league pitchers will eat him up. But there is also a chance that he will be VERY good. Too soon to know either way. That's life with prospects. Rebuilding always has an element of luck, you need some favorable outcomes on uncertain prospects.
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Re: Minor League Musings

Postby Bertz » Fri Jul 15, 2022 1:11 pm



If Pete Crow-Armstrong hits it big, I hope the It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia gang lets him appropriate the Fight Milk logo. A former Mets first-round pick who was regarded highly enough to fetch Javier Báez and a Trevor Williams throw-in on his own, ZiPS had little to say about him earlier this year given PCA’s brief professional history. After hitting .321/.389/.546 at two levels to go along with 19 stolen bases and credible defense in center field, ZiPS has a lot more to talk about now. There’s still a ways to go until he’s in the majors, but his top comp list has all sorts of fun names, including Carlos Gómez, Ray Lankford, Rondell White, and Marquis Grissom, among others. Crow-Armstrong’s plate discipline has suffered a bit since being promoted, but I wouldn’t worry too much about it, considering that he’s still slugging above .500; players hitting well are incentivized to be aggressive.


Check out the projections in the article,. PCA projects as a low-end regular NEXT YEAR. That's insanity for a guy with ~300 plate appearances in A Ball.
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Re: Minor League Musings

Postby PackLandVA » Fri Jul 15, 2022 4:05 pm

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....... and credible defense in center field, ZiPS has a lot more to talk about now. .


Check out the projections in the article,. PCA projects as a low-end regular NEXT YEAR. That's insanity for a guy with ~300 plate appearances in A Ball.



I thought PCA was a plus defender. "Credible" sounds like his defense is being a bit minimized.
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Postby Named After Maddux » Fri Jul 15, 2022 4:08 pm

PackLandVA wrote:
Bertz wrote:
....... and credible defense in center field, ZiPS has a lot more to talk about now. .


Check out the projections in the article,. PCA projects as a low-end regular NEXT YEAR. That's insanity for a guy with ~300 plate appearances in A Ball.



I thought PCA was a plus defender. "Credible" sounds like his defense is being a bit minimized.


Perhaps Dan ZiPS meant “incredible” and his Grammarly didn’t catch it.
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Re: Minor League Musings

Postby Bertz » Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:49 pm



It happened! I think this might mean he'll start Sunday too
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:58 am



Missed the Futures Game for the first time since 2003 because it was on something called Peacock, a booo

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Looks like Faustino Carrera's MLB dreams are dashed, topping out at AA isn't so bad in the grand scheme. Hopefully he's healthy and can catch on with an international league:

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Re: Minor League Musings

Postby Donzo » Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:27 pm

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Donzo wrote:Any Bryan Hudson updates?


I don't have any scouting/first hand accounts, but he's been very good. Between Hughes and Hudson(who both have been hard on both RHH and LHH), plus some lesser likelihood options that could break through(Little, Newcomb, Wieck), I'm hopeful they won't need to bring in next year's version of Norris to ensure there's enough LHP representation in the pen


Thanks for the info.

Of course he's struggled since I mentioned him with three poor performances in July. Anyway, he's still doing OK over all. It would be nice if he made to Chicago this year. There's already been a lot of shuffling with the Pitchers on the 40-man roster and I imagine that'll continue, so there will be opportunities.
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Re: Minor League Musings

Postby Hrubes20 » Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:58 pm

Bertz wrote:https://twitter.com/RAM__Sports/status/1549402444567875587?t=m7-qabhSjpPeXH4E0qVGHw&s=19


Excellent. Let him start every day at 1B at the expense of Jared Young and Nelson Maldonado. Those 2 have been pretty terrible since mid-April. I'm over Rivas as well, if he gets demoted again. Mervis deserves some run.
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Re: Minor League Musings

Postby Bertz » Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:38 pm



Miggy's back!
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Re: Minor League Musings

Postby Hrubes20 » Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:57 pm

Bertz wrote:https://twitter.com/CubsCentral08/status/1549417903874883585?t=vhFyYeEynhy1L60W8OzuPg&s=19

Miggy's back!


Annoying that Roederer is injured again. Guy just can't stay healthy.
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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Tue Jul 19, 2022 5:37 pm

Hope the Palencia injury isn’t too severe.
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Re: Minor League Musings

Postby Bertz » Tue Jul 19, 2022 6:49 pm



Woah woah woah Amaya is going to get some catching in this season?! I had him chalked up as a DH until at least winter ball, maybe even spring training.
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Postby CubinNY » Tue Jul 19, 2022 8:02 pm

With how horrible the year has been for the big club, it's been a pretty good year so far in the minors. The needle is definitely pointing in the right direction for the organization.
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Re: Minor League Musings

Postby CubinNY » Wed Jul 20, 2022 12:48 am

When is the ETA for Drew Grey to pitch again? Mid season next year?
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Postby Hrubes20 » Wed Jul 20, 2022 12:53 am

CubinNY wrote:When is the ETA for Drew Grey to pitch again? Mid season next year?


He’s already resumed throwing off flat ground. Wouldn’t be at all shocked if he gets some pitching in at fall instructs in 3-4 months
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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:56 pm

Kevin Made and Porter Hodge promoted to high-A:

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CaliforniaRaisin wrote:Kevin Made and Porter Hodge promoted to high-A:



Yesssss!!!!
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