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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Derwood » Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:53 pm

CubinNY wrote:They are such a mediocre team it makes me extra mad the Cubs are choosing to punt on multiple seasons. By the time they are ready to try, the Cardinals and the Brewers will be good again.


Mediocre? They're top 5-6 in both run scored and runs allowed. They're pretty clearly a good team
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby CubinNY » Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:07 pm

Derwood wrote:
CubinNY wrote:They are such a mediocre team it makes me extra mad the Cubs are choosing to punt on multiple seasons. By the time they are ready to try, the Cardinals and the Brewers will be good again.


Mediocre? They're top 5-6 in both run scored and runs allowed. They're pretty clearly a good team


Derwood, they are playing in NL Central.

They are 30-17 in the division, below .500 against the West, 14-9 against the East, and .500 in interleague. They are a mediocre team.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Derwood » Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:11 pm

CubinNY wrote:
Derwood wrote:
CubinNY wrote:They are such a mediocre team it makes me extra mad the Cubs are choosing to punt on multiple seasons. By the time they are ready to try, the Cardinals and the Brewers will be good again.


Mediocre? They're top 5-6 in both run scored and runs allowed. They're pretty clearly a good team


Derwood, they are playing in NL Central.

They are 30-17 in the division, below .500 against the West, 14-9 against the East, and .500 in interleague. They are a mediocre team.


lol, ok
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby wekse » Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:15 pm

CubinNY wrote:
Derwood wrote:
CubinNY wrote:They are such a mediocre team it makes me extra mad the Cubs are choosing to punt on multiple seasons. By the time they are ready to try, the Cardinals and the Brewers will be good again.


Mediocre? They're top 5-6 in both run scored and runs allowed. They're pretty clearly a good team


Derwood, they are playing in NL Central.

They are 30-17 in the division, below .500 against the West, 14-9 against the East, and .500 in interleague. They are a mediocre team.


I wish the Cubs were this mediocre.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby CubinNY » Fri Aug 19, 2022 7:24 pm

Derwood wrote:
CubinNY wrote:
Derwood wrote:
Mediocre? They're top 5-6 in both run scored and runs allowed. They're pretty clearly a good team


Derwood, they are playing in NL Central.

They are 30-17 in the division, below .500 against the West, 14-9 against the East, and .500 in interleague. They are a mediocre team.


lol, ok

I don't know what you are loling about. They are a combined 2 games above .500 playing teams other than the Cubs, Pirates, Brewers, and Reds.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby soccer10k » Sun Aug 21, 2022 7:23 am

Paul Goldschmidt age 34:

-career high BA by 18 points
-2nd highest OBP
-career high SLG by 65 points
-career high OPS by 51 points
-on pace to hit over 40 HR for the first time in his career.

We've also got a 40 year old Adam Wainwright with a 3.11 ERA in 150 innings. Pujols now up to a .858 OPS. The only shocking thing is that Molina has been hurt most of the year and awful when he has played. I assume he'll have like 4 big hits in the playoffs though.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby d_money » Sun Aug 21, 2022 10:51 am

soccer10k wrote:Paul Goldschmidt age 34:

-career high BA by 18 points
-2nd highest OBP
-career high SLG by 65 points
-career high OPS by 51 points
-on pace to hit over 40 HR for the first time in his career.

We've also got a 40 year old Adam Wainwright with a 3.11 ERA in 150 innings. Pujols now up to a .858 OPS. The only shocking thing is that Molina has been hurt most of the year and awful when he has played. I assume he'll have like 4 big hits in the playoffs though.

I didn’t realize how good of a year he’s having, 6.5 fWar. He’s owed $22m for each of his ages 35 & 36 seasons.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby We Got The Whole 9 » Sun Aug 21, 2022 2:20 pm

Can't knock the hustle; the trades for him and Arenado were incredibly fortuitous. Great players that were simply given away.

I am pretty much expecting them to trade for Tatis next.

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Re: The Cardinals

Postby The SABR Gamer » Mon Aug 22, 2022 6:05 am

CubinNY wrote:
Derwood wrote:
CubinNY wrote:
Derwood, they are playing in NL Central.

They are 30-17 in the division, below .500 against the West, 14-9 against the East, and .500 in interleague. They are a mediocre team.


lol, ok

I don't know what you are loling about. They are a combined 2 games above .500 playing teams other than the Cubs, Pirates, Brewers, and Reds.


You do know most good teams get there by mostly beating the bad teams and not sucking against the good ones?
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby CubinNY » Mon Aug 22, 2022 11:58 am

New York Cubs Fan wrote:
CubinNY wrote:
Derwood wrote:
lol, ok

I don't know what you are loling about. They are a combined 2 games above .500 playing teams other than the Cubs, Pirates, Brewers, and Reds.


You do know most good teams get there by mostly beating the bad teams and not sucking against the good ones?

They're 24-28 against teams over .500. Come again? They have a bunch more games against good teams. We'll see how they do.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby squally1313 » Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:03 pm

CubinNY wrote:
New York Cubs Fan wrote:
CubinNY wrote:I don't know what you are loling about. They are a combined 2 games above .500 playing teams other than the Cubs, Pirates, Brewers, and Reds.


You do know most good teams get there by mostly beating the bad teams and not sucking against the good ones?

They're 24-28 against teams over .500. Come again? They have a bunch more games against good teams. We'll see how they do.

2016 Cubs:

31-25 against over 500 teams.
72-33 against under 500 teams.

Like, you've been around for a while, you have to know this is how this works.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby CubinNY » Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:28 pm

squally1313 wrote:
CubinNY wrote:
New York Cubs Fan wrote:
You do know most good teams get there by mostly beating the bad teams and not sucking against the good ones?

They're 24-28 against teams over .500. Come again? They have a bunch more games against good teams. We'll see how they do.

2016 Cubs:

31-25 against over 500 teams.
72-33 against under 500 teams.

Like, you've been around for a while, you have to know this is how this works.

24-28 against teams over .500
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Mon Aug 22, 2022 2:33 pm

So you give the Cardinals the same number of games(it'll actually be more when the season ends), and they're ~5 games behind the Cubs team that won 103 games and is one of the best teams of the last 10-20 years.

The Cardinals are not one of the top 3 teams in the NL, and they're a beneficiary of the division(which itself is just a couple games out of 162 difference compared to playing the NL East/West), but that doesn't mean they're mediocre or not having a legitimately good season.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby CubinNY » Mon Aug 22, 2022 3:09 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:So you give the Cardinals the same number of games(it'll actually be more when the season ends), and they're ~5 games behind the Cubs team that won 103 games and is one of the best teams of the last 10-20 years.

The Cardinals are not one of the top 3 teams in the NL, and they're a beneficiary of the division(which itself is just a couple games out of 162 difference compared to playing the NL East/West), but that doesn't mean they're mediocre or not having a legitimately good season.

10 games as of right now, but who's counting? I guess it all depends on what you think is a good team. The 2016 Cubs weren't playing teams with a .420 and below winning percentages (in their division). The Cardinals would be in 3rd place in the NL East, 2nd place in the NL West. The only division they would be leading other than the NL Central is the AL Central. They are the king of the dipshits, a wildcard team. The definition of mildly ok.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Mon Aug 22, 2022 3:16 pm

CubinNY wrote:
Transmogrified Tiger wrote:So you give the Cardinals the same number of games(it'll actually be more when the season ends), and they're ~5 games behind the Cubs team that won 103 games and is one of the best teams of the last 10-20 years.

The Cardinals are not one of the top 3 teams in the NL, and they're a beneficiary of the division(which itself is just a couple games out of 162 difference compared to playing the NL East/West), but that doesn't mean they're mediocre or not having a legitimately good season.

10 games as of right now, but who's counting? I guess it all depends on what you think is a good team. The 2016 Cubs weren't playing teams with a .420 and below winning percentages (in their division). The Cardinals would be in 3rd place in the NL East, 2nd place in the NL West. The only division they would be leading other than the NL Central is the AL Central. They are the king of the dipshits, a wildcard team. The definition of mildly ok.


I was talking about against .500+ teams when mentioning 5 games since that's the record you were quoting.

At the same point in their schedule(after game 120), the 2016 Cubs had teams with a .433 and .425 record in their division, and the Reds finished at .420. But also we're putting too much emphasis on how much of an impact that has on another team's record. The difference between a .400 winning percentage and .450 at this point in the season is around 7 games out of 120, it's meaningful but not the difference in playing a playoff team vs. Eastwestern State University. The difference across a division schedule is only a couple of games on the high end, and this year it's mitigated by the NL Central being matched with the toughest AL division(the AL East) in interleague.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby soccer10k » Mon Aug 22, 2022 4:26 pm

CubinNY wrote:
Transmogrified Tiger wrote:So you give the Cardinals the same number of games(it'll actually be more when the season ends), and they're ~5 games behind the Cubs team that won 103 games and is one of the best teams of the last 10-20 years.

The Cardinals are not one of the top 3 teams in the NL, and they're a beneficiary of the division(which itself is just a couple games out of 162 difference compared to playing the NL East/West), but that doesn't mean they're mediocre or not having a legitimately good season.

10 games as of right now, but who's counting? I guess it all depends on what you think is a good team. The 2016 Cubs weren't playing teams with a .420 and below winning percentages (in their division). The Cardinals would be in 3rd place in the NL East, 2nd place in the NL West. The only division they would be leading other than the NL Central is the AL Central. They are the king of the dipshits, a wildcard team. The definition of mildly ok.


The Braves are 26-28 against teams over .500. The Padres are 20-27, the Phillies are 29-34, the Jays are 34-43 and the Rays are 34-37. All of these teams are currently in the playoffs. Are none of them good either?
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby CubinNY » Mon Aug 22, 2022 4:41 pm

soccer10k wrote:
CubinNY wrote:
Transmogrified Tiger wrote:So you give the Cardinals the same number of games(it'll actually be more when the season ends), and they're ~5 games behind the Cubs team that won 103 games and is one of the best teams of the last 10-20 years.

The Cardinals are not one of the top 3 teams in the NL, and they're a beneficiary of the division(which itself is just a couple games out of 162 difference compared to playing the NL East/West), but that doesn't mean they're mediocre or not having a legitimately good season.

10 games as of right now, but who's counting? I guess it all depends on what you think is a good team. The 2016 Cubs weren't playing teams with a .420 and below winning percentages (in their division). The Cardinals would be in 3rd place in the NL East, 2nd place in the NL West. The only division they would be leading other than the NL Central is the AL Central. They are the king of the dipshits, a wildcard team. The definition of mildly ok.


The Braves are 26-28 against teams over .500. The Padres are 20-27, the Phillies are 29-34, the Jays are 34-43 and the Rays are 34-37. All of these teams are currently in the playoffs. Are none of them good either?

Who said the Cardinals weren't good? I know It's a common tactic here to move the goalposts in the middle of arguments, but I'm keeping them in place. They are mildly good, the definition of mediocre.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby soccer10k » Mon Aug 22, 2022 4:48 pm

CubinNY wrote:
soccer10k wrote:
CubinNY wrote:10 games as of right now, but who's counting? I guess it all depends on what you think is a good team. The 2016 Cubs weren't playing teams with a .420 and below winning percentages (in their division). The Cardinals would be in 3rd place in the NL East, 2nd place in the NL West. The only division they would be leading other than the NL Central is the AL Central. They are the king of the dipshits, a wildcard team. The definition of mildly ok.


The Braves are 26-28 against teams over .500. The Padres are 20-27, the Phillies are 29-34, the Jays are 34-43 and the Rays are 34-37. All of these teams are currently in the playoffs. Are none of them good either?

Who said the Cardinals weren't good? I know It's a common tactic here to move the goalposts in the middle of arguments, but I'm keeping them in place. They are mildly good, the definition of mediocre.


I mean, you literally just did say they aren’t good by calling them the definition of mediocre. You said it a few days ago too.

CubinNY wrote:They are such a mediocre team it makes me extra mad the Cubs are choosing to punt on multiple seasons. By the time they are ready to try, the Cardinals and the Brewers will be good again.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Backtobanks » Mon Aug 22, 2022 4:58 pm

Maybe that's why the Cubs aim for mediocrity.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Bertz » Mon Aug 22, 2022 4:59 pm

soccer10k wrote:
CubinNY wrote:
soccer10k wrote:
The Braves are 26-28 against teams over .500. The Padres are 20-27, the Phillies are 29-34, the Jays are 34-43 and the Rays are 34-37. All of these teams are currently in the playoffs. Are none of them good either?

Who said the Cardinals weren't good? I know It's a common tactic here to move the goalposts in the middle of arguments, but I'm keeping them in place. They are mildly good, the definition of mediocre.


I mean, you literally just did say they aren’t good by calling them the definition of mediocre. You said it a few days ago too.

CubinNY wrote:They are such a mediocre team it makes me extra mad the Cubs are choosing to punt on multiple seasons. By the time they are ready to try, the Cardinals and the Brewers will be good again.


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Re: The Cardinals

Postby The SABR Gamer » Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:07 pm

LOL CubinNY is owning himself in this thread and keeps digging in deeper.

ETA: This guy annoys me so much with his hot takes, he's got me defending the damn Cardinals.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby CubinNY » Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:24 pm

Bertz wrote:
soccer10k wrote:
CubinNY wrote:Who said the Cardinals weren't good? I know It's a common tactic here to move the goalposts in the middle of arguments, but I'm keeping them in place. They are mildly good, the definition of mediocre.


I mean, you literally just did say they aren’t good by calling them the definition of mediocre. You said it a few days ago too.

CubinNY wrote:They are such a mediocre team it makes me extra mad the Cubs are choosing to punt on multiple seasons. By the time they are ready to try, the Cardinals and the Brewers will be good again.


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Good meaning good, not mildly good. It's a semantic game. Like 90 wins
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby CubinNY » Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:25 pm

New York Cubs Fan wrote:LOL CubinNY is owning himself in this thread and keeps digging in deeper.

ETA: This guy annoys me so much with his hot takes, he's got me defending the damn Cardinals.

Well stop then.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby CubinNY » Mon Aug 22, 2022 5:35 pm

apologies for the imprecise use of language. I know we are sticklers for precision, especially when it comes to the Cardinals.
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