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Re: The Cardinals

Postby CubinNY » Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:37 pm

Molina, Wainwright, Pujols 2022 Cards revival tour.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby d_money » Thu Sep 09, 2021 2:29 pm

CubinNY wrote:Molina, Wainwright, Pujols 2022 Cards revival tour.

…and Carpenter
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Banedon » Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:18 pm

big ball chunky time wrote:i've long ago stopped caring about HoF debates. Players with borderline statistical resumes but strong narrative/storyline/reputation ... let them in. i dont care.


I'll take it a step further and say....I don't care about the HoF in any sport. I mean, probably a neat museum to walk through, but otherwise....meh.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby CubinNY » Tue Sep 14, 2021 2:03 pm

Banedon wrote:
big ball chunky time wrote:i've long ago stopped caring about HoF debates. Players with borderline statistical resumes but strong narrative/storyline/reputation ... let them in. i dont care.


I'll take it a step further and say....I don't care about the HoF in any sport. I mean, probably a neat museum to walk through, but otherwise....meh.

The baseball HOF museum is super cool albeit a bit underwhelming. Cooperstown is kind of like Gatlinburg but turned down to 3. The area is beautiful. I think it's worth a trip to drive there, just for the splendor of upstate NY in the summertime. If you're into that sort of thing, there are some great local breweries around there too.
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I know most of us don't care, but the Cubs have a chance to end the season for the Cardinals and that makes me happy.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:14 pm

big ball chunky time wrote:i've long ago stopped caring about HoF debates. Players with borderline statistical resumes but strong narrative/storyline/reputation ... let them in. i dont care.

Yeah. The idiot, sanctimonious pricks who run it ruined keeping it purely stats/performances a long time ago. Treat it as a museum/narrative/history of the game thing at this point, it being some benchmark of career performance has long passed.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Tryptamine » Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:41 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:
big ball chunky time wrote:i've long ago stopped caring about HoF debates. Players with borderline statistical resumes but strong narrative/storyline/reputation ... let them in. i dont care.

Yeah. The idiot, sanctimonious pricks who run it ruined keeping it purely stats/performances a long time ago. Treat it as a museum/narrative/history of the game thing at this point, it being some benchmark of career performance has long passed.


The moment the HoF committee decided to wait until Santo died before voting him in, was when it became was entirely dead to me. It was nothing more than proof that they continually denied him, while he was alive, out of nothing but vengeful spite. It absolutely crushes me that Santo never got to receive that call when he was still around, especially when it obviously meant so much to him.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby squally1313 » Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:49 pm

Currently the leaders for the second wild card (and 2nd likely to get that spot per FG). If things play out roughly the way they have so far this year, whoever wins that second spot will have a one game playoff with the Dodgers who will finish 20 games ahead of them.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby soccer10k » Thu Sep 16, 2021 2:33 am

squally1313 wrote:Currently the leaders for the second wild card (and 2nd likely to get that spot per FG). If things play out roughly the way they have so far this year, whoever wins that second spot will have a one game playoff with the Dodgers who will finish 20 games ahead of them.


Reds are butchering this. Lost 2 of 3 to Miami, Detroit and Chicago in the past couple weeks, lost at least 2 of 3 to Pittsburgh this week and lost 2 of 3 to the Cards twice. They still have 7 more against Pitt, 4 against Wash and 2 against CWS when they might be resting guys the last week.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Andy » Thu Sep 16, 2021 3:53 pm

squally1313 wrote:Currently the leaders for the second wild card (and 2nd likely to get that spot per FG). If things play out roughly the way they have so far this year, whoever wins that second spot will have a one game playoff with the Dodgers who will finish 20 games ahead of them.

I already know St. Louis is going to win that playoff and probably beat SF in the LDS too just to piss me the hell off
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Tryptamine » Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:11 pm

Andy wrote:
squally1313 wrote:Currently the leaders for the second wild card (and 2nd likely to get that spot per FG). If things play out roughly the way they have so far this year, whoever wins that second spot will have a one game playoff with the Dodgers who will finish 20 games ahead of them.

I already know St. Louis is going to win that playoff and probably beat SF in the LDS too just to piss me the hell off


This is going to be that 2006 [expletive] all over again isn't it? Where they go a very average 83-78 and win the WS anyways.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby champaignchris » Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:12 pm

Tryptamine wrote:
Andy wrote:
squally1313 wrote:Currently the leaders for the second wild card (and 2nd likely to get that spot per FG). If things play out roughly the way they have so far this year, whoever wins that second spot will have a one game playoff with the Dodgers who will finish 20 games ahead of them.

I already know St. Louis is going to win that playoff and probably beat SF in the LDS too just to piss me the hell off


This is going to be that 2006 [expletive] all over again isn't it? Where they go a very average 83-78 and win the WS anyways.


That or they upset the Dodgers and Giants before rolling over against the Brewers, and the Brewers then win the WS.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Regular Show » Thu Apr 07, 2022 12:11 pm



Also found this gem lol:
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby UMFan83 » Sun Jul 24, 2022 5:45 pm

Arenado and Goldschmidt aren't able to play in Toronto for some reason. I will happily laugh nervously at this knowing the Cubs trip to Toronto is still to come. Though by then we won't know who half the people on the team are.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Pushfrog98 » Sun Jul 31, 2022 7:53 pm

Now the Cardinals are the front-runners to acquire Juan Soto. :banghead:
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Tryptamine » Mon Aug 01, 2022 2:16 pm

Pushfrog98 wrote:Now the Cardinals are the front-runners to acquire Juan Soto. :banghead:


Watch. They're going to have Soto, Goldschmidt and Arenado, but still get a competitive balance pick, because the league is run by morons.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Pushfrog98 » Mon Aug 01, 2022 3:51 pm

Tryptamine wrote:
Pushfrog98 wrote:Now the Cardinals are the front-runners to acquire Juan Soto. :banghead:


Watch. They're going to have Soto, Goldschmidt and Arenado, but still get a competitive balance pick, because the league is run by morons.

Plus, they’ll be using previous competitive balance picks to get him. It’s so infuriating.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby mias_tisg » Mon Aug 01, 2022 6:24 pm

I'm fine with the Cardinals getting Soto as long as the return is fair. Guessing it won't be though because it's the Cardinals. Goldy and Arenado were basically waiver adds for them.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby d_money » Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:17 pm

Even if the Cards gave up a couple of MLB level talent for Soto, they still have - what…5-6 prospects in the top 100?

The only positive if the trade were to happen is hoping they can’t resign Soto
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Re: The Cardinals

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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Tue Aug 02, 2022 12:15 am

d_money wrote:Even if the Cards gave up a couple of MLB level talent for Soto, they still have - what…5-6 prospects in the top 100?

The only positive if the trade were to happen is hoping they can’t resign Soto


No, the likely outcome of a Soto to the Cards deal is 1-2 MLB pieces(Carlson, Gorman), and 2-4 of those Top 100 prospects(almost certainly including their one elite prospect in Walker). The positive outcome is Soto replaces Carlson(muting the marginal improvement since Carlson is playing at a 3-4 win pace this year), and the farm system is diluted enough that the combination of Soto's FA and Arenado/Goldschmidt's age creates the clearest window end they've had in a number of years.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby soccer10k » Fri Aug 19, 2022 4:42 am

Pujols has an .814 OPS this year. The last time he had an OPS over .800 was in 2012.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Andy » Fri Aug 19, 2022 1:09 pm

soccer10k wrote:Pujols has an .814 OPS this year. The last time he had an OPS over .800 was in 2012.

That was the last time his OBP or his SLG was as high as it is this year except for when he slugged one point better in 2015.

Who could've seen that coming besides literally anyone who follows baseball.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby squally1313 » Fri Aug 19, 2022 2:38 pm

He's been a 0.5 fWAR player in 218 PAs, who cares.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby CubinNY » Fri Aug 19, 2022 3:11 pm

They are such a mediocre team it makes me extra mad the Cubs are choosing to punt on multiple seasons. By the time they are ready to try, the Cardinals and the Brewers will be good again.
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Re: The Cardinals

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